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Old 01-03-2009, 05:05 PM   #121
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Please keep us informed of your progress, David.
Will do. Expect some news over easter because that's when I'm shooting this collapsing building.

Speaking of that, does anyone know if it would work to make a plaster wall from a latex mould about 4 feet by 6 feet? The plaster would also be made quite crumbly. Do you think that would work without it falling apart? Any one done any plaster or rubber mould work before?
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Old 01-03-2009, 05:30 PM   #122
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Mix Vermiculite into the plaster (available at garden centres). The more you put in, the crumblier it gets. Also, experiment with adding baking flour into the plaster powder to further weaken it. If you get the sort of plaster used for plastering walls, it's cheaper than plaster of paris and gives you a lot longer working time.
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Old 01-03-2009, 06:17 PM   #123
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Cheers DX-SFX! Do you reckon making the walls in a latex cast about 4 feet by 6 feet would work?
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:07 PM   #124
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Casting plaster in latex is very common. I assume you're trying to avoid the expense of silicone?
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:13 PM   #125
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It was more the large size of the cast (4f by 6t) I was concerned about. I was worried that it would be difficult to remove the wall from the cast without it breaking and everything, especially with it being designed to crumble easily. Think it would be okay? Is silicone better in any way than latex?
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Old 01-03-2009, 09:03 PM   #126
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I'd be inclined to poor the mix, let it set, lay a sheet of plywood behind it then turn it over onto the plywood. It should then be a simple task peeling off the latex skin. Ironically, it might be good if it breaks. You can always assemble it in situ knowing it's going to break easily again. It really depends what type of wall it is.
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:22 PM   #127
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Cool, thanks for the advice DX, I'll let ya know how it goes!
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Old 18-04-2009, 09:59 PM   #128
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Not exactly Sci-fi I know, but since I posted behind-the-scenes pics of that other forest shot I did, I thought I'd post a couple of this one too. I wish I could post actual frames or even put the animation on youtube but since it's not my film I can't go doing that. However the film might be getting shown on BBC one, so unless the shots get cut from the edit, you'll be able to see the results there.

The shot was to show the characters dream of an analogue radio being eaten by "digital' robots...

So I made a "replica" of the radio that appears in the film out of balsa wood...

The fact it was made from Balsa wood meant that it could be easily carved and "eaten" away between frames...



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Those little digital bastards.... very convincing radio. Wish we could see this great work in AU. At least its a possibility in the UK. Good stuff David.
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Old 18-04-2009, 10:23 PM   #130
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Cheers Tony!
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Old 18-04-2009, 11:22 PM   #131
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JD said...

"Fullfilling a brief faster is always preferable to delivering higher quality. Doing more than you were asked (going beyond a brief) is a double-edged sword. The production might be over the moon, or they might be enraged that you've put effort into something that will not show on-screen. Effort that you could have spent on something to mutual benefit.

In short, it's a minefield! Obviously I don't have it all sorted, or I'd still be working in the industry today!

They say you learn more from your mistakes than from your achievements. Believe me, I 'learned' a LOT!!


and DX-SFX said...

"JD speaks wisely. They want only what they asked for but most importantly, delivered on time. The average production accountant wouldn't recognise quality anyway. The overall cost is their bottom line and how many scenes of sufficient quality they can film for the money is their priority. There is only X amount of money. One way gets them a completed film with mediocre FX they can get a return on, the other gives them an incomplete film with good FX that's used up all the money and no way to recoup the cost."

I can now relate to exactly what you guys were talking about here. I was supposed to shoot that collapsing building shot I was talking about over easter. I really want it to look spectacular, of course, and I decided to go for it and designed the set at 1/4th scale. I still think that this is the best scale for the shot. However, I have no experience at working at this sort of scale, and I completely underestimated how much of an undertaking it would be. I'm used to working on a scale where I can see everything sitting on my desk in front of me, but the construction for this set was so big that it was more like heavy duty construction than the delicate model making I'm used to.

Anyway, we didn't get the set finished in time to shoot that week, and so I will be going back in a few weeks time to finish it. Not only that, but I spent much more of the budget than I should have. Of course, none of this was my intention, and I feel pretty bad at how it's worked out. However, as JD said "you learn more from your mistakes than from your achievements," and this has been a BIG lesson for me.

I'm still confident that the shot will look cool when it's done, but obviously you can't work this way in the professional world so I'll think differently next time.

The director is understanding though, because he knows I am inexperienced and was simply being ambitious and enthusiastic.

Hopefully in a months time I'll have a good shot of a miniature building collapsing.
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The shot was to show the characters dream of an analogue radio being eaten by "digital' robots...

So I made a "replica" of the radio that appears in the film out of balsa wood...

The fact it was made from Balsa wood meant that it could be easily carved and "eaten" away between frames...
Wonderful irony that it's probably easier to use old style miniatures to create this shot, than to do it digitally !
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Old 21-04-2009, 12:12 PM   #133
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Wonderful irony that it's probably easier to use old style miniatures to create this shot, than to do it digitally !
hehe thats true!
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