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Old 19-07-2007, 05:12 PM   #21
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I think your interpretation is valid. But to me, the movie just has too much of that kind of stuff. It took me twenty years to come to the conclusion that I liked what Clarke wrote and what the visual effects wizards did, but I like very little of what Kubrick did.

And what I really can't stand about Kubrick is that he accepted the Oscar for the visual effects in the movie -- effects "Designed and Directed by Stanley Kubrick," I think the credits say. As if he had done them himself. But, of course, he didn't do any such thing. Very bad form, in my opinion.
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Old 20-07-2007, 02:58 AM   #22
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It is bad form and probably happens more than it should. Ace, your comments were very helpful. Its funny how those two moments grate on one. The happy birthday is the lesser of the two by far, but...

I still can't get past the great images though, fantastic, except for the traveling "into the monolith...off to the alien planet...into another dimension...or whatever it was." It seemed to be more a case of lots of 60s colours and goos man, than anything else. Ok, but it went on a little long for me.

And where did they get the "My God, its full of stars" from? Is that in the second book? Sorry for the ignorance again.
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Old 20-07-2007, 08:50 AM   #23
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I think "My god, it's full of stars" is in the first book. There was also something along those lines in the very different Star Gate in "The lost worlds of 2001".

I have never been so annoyed with the call to the daughter. The purpose, as I see it, is to show how space travel has become a normal part of life, and that calling home from the space station is as normal as to call from a foreign airport. All the "Floyd" part of the film is like that, explaining toilets, synthetic food, weightlessness and so on. Maybe the call scene could be shorter, though.
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Old 21-07-2007, 02:21 AM   #24
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Actually, I think if it were better acted, it might be more palatable. (Wasn't the girl played by Kubric's daughter?)
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Old 21-07-2007, 03:21 PM   #25
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Just my observation form reading the book and watching the movie, then combining the two in my head.

I think the Telephone scene is more tedious than anything bad. Moonwatcher had a real problem with communication, Floyd not so much.

Moonwatcher had a position of privilege based on knowledge and just like Floyd, both were confident as master of his universe because of it. Seems HAL had power from knowledge also and its actions were as master too.

The entire space station stuff was just to llustrate the two extremes depicted to that point. Moonwatcher had to starve in fear, exposed to the elements untill able to kill his own food and defend his water hole. Floyd was delivered food and drink in comfort and behind security all while traveling through the most extreme vacuum of space.

Excellent book and movie.

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Old 22-07-2007, 07:26 AM   #26
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Very interesting point Barry, thanks.
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Old 22-07-2007, 12:04 PM   #27
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That's all true -- but it would be no different if he then accepted the award for costume or set design.
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Old 21-09-2007, 11:39 PM   #28
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For superfluous, see: phone call to Floyd's daughter. Not only is it not needed, it's HORRIBLE. And "happy birthday, Frank."
I interpreted these points as references to rebirth in the film - both Floyd's daughter and Poole have birthdays in the film. Both are physically separated from their immediate families, and also Poole is emotionally separated as he seems more interested in getting a tan than paying attention to the message. Contrast this with the apemen who stay in close families/communities, living and eating together.

Another post mentioned Floyd touching the monolith - this echoes Moonwatcher doing the same earlier in the film. The spacesuited men in the crater all look identical, like the apemen did earlier - perhaps a suggestion that in 4 million years we haven't evolved all that much . . . apart from losing most of our body hair!

. . . who knows!?
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