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Old 04-04-2011, 09:35 PM   #1
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Hi, just picked up a bunch of bits of undercontrol bodies, lot 91 from the Philips auction. Some interesting stuff, a complete female and almost complete male body from TBAG/TB6, and a male seated Scarlet era body, plus loads of the brass fittings and controllers;





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Old 04-04-2011, 10:03 PM   #2
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good buy...ihanks for sharing

here's my contribution...outcontrol scarlet!

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Old 05-04-2011, 06:17 AM   #3
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Nice Phil....shame the pic doesn`t go a bit lower...maybe that`s what I have!
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Old 05-04-2011, 11:12 AM   #4
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Great to see this stuff Chris.
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Old 05-04-2011, 02:37 PM   #5
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Great buy Chris, gives a real insight into the goings on and workings of the props
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:29 PM   #6
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Nice Phil....shame the pic doesn`t go a bit lower...maybe that`s what I have!
so! you want to see more of scarlet with his pant's down huh? some people take there hobbies too far
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Old 05-04-2011, 05:31 PM   #7
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Thanks for sharing, Chris, I've always wanted to know a bit more about the underneath control. They seem relatively simple! Do you know how the heads were attached to these?
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Old 05-04-2011, 06:36 PM   #8
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Re the heads being attached; there are two different types of brass internal fitting, short for the Scarlet heads plus solenoid, long for the Tbirds heads. I`ll take some pics with the heads attached as its easier than explaining it.

Re the Scarlet undercontrol, I can't say for definate I have it here but I do have one identical (there would have been several) see the pic below, the discoloured aluminium hand control is visible in Phil`s pic, it obscures the brass handle behind it;

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Absolutely absorbing stuff!
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:08 AM   #10
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Here`s some pics showing a replica Jeff and original Orson attached to their respective bodies....shows how there are two different fittings to correlate with the internal or external solenoid. Also the Scarlet one now matches the layout in Phil`s Scarlet pic;



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Old 06-04-2011, 08:09 AM   #11
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This is fantastic stuff ! Until I saw these pics, I assumed they just used the under control method for the Angels (in flight) and have never seen the mechanism, let alone understand how they worked it. Was the mouth and eyes operated at a distance or somehow from the hand unit ?

The other thing I noticed is the fibreglass appears to be flesh colour; did they colour the bodies when they made them ?
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:59 PM   #12
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Thanks for the info and the pics, Chris, All good stuff! I'm surprised that they didn't try under control movement for the arms as well.
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Old 09-04-2011, 08:14 PM   #13
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Cool and interesting pieces
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An interesting thread. Never knew some of the puppets were controlled from below. Here's a bit of a stupid question, though: What exactly were these "undercontrol" puppets used for? Was it just for head+torso shots, and as a way of keeping the puppets firmly in place, whilst also avoiding the presence of strings?
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The undercontrol system was first introduced In Thunderbirds are Go, to enable close-up scenes of The Hood to be filmed, as the strings entering his head were so obvious on the big screen. As it turned out the scenes featuring this puppet (which can often be seen in uncropped promotional images) were actually dropped from the finished film. Having developed the system, the studiio then found it ideal for filming shots of puppets in cars and aircraft cockpits, as these could now be filmed without obvious holes in the canopies etc.
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Thanks for the input air terranian, you mean this pic (sorry for poor quality)



Must admit it occured to me that is what the male tb body I have here originated from....
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The undercontrol system was first introduced In Thunderbirds are Go, to enable close-up scenes of The Hood to be filmed, as the strings entering his head were so obvious on the big screen. As it turned out the scenes featuring this puppet (which can often be seen in uncropped promotional images) were actually dropped from the finished film. Having developed the system, the studiio then found it ideal for filming shots of puppets in cars and aircraft cockpits, as these could now be filmed without obvious holes in the canopies etc.
Thanks for the info. Yes, that's the pic. I think I've seen the uncropped picture of the Hood which shows the undercontrol unit too, although I can't think where. Perhaps a back issue of FAB magazine. I figure the same principle may have applied when filming Lady Penelope and Parker in the full-size FAB 1.
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Thanks for the info. Yes, that's the pic. I think I've seen the uncropped picture of the Hood which shows the undercontrol unit too, although I can't think where. Perhaps a back issue of FAB magazine. I figure the same principle may have applied when filming Lady Penelope and Parker in the full-size FAB 1.
Love to see the uncropped pic if anyone can steer me to it
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Thanks for the info. Yes, that's the pic. I think I've seen the uncropped picture of the Hood which shows the undercontrol unit too, although I can't think where.
Thought I might have seen it somewhere too..

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Love to see the uncropped pic if anyone can steer me to it
...and I've just found it- page 65 of the Boxtree Thunderbirds book by John Marriott. A lovely big full page shot. Looks like it matches the unit shown above, although there seem to be some additional fittings.
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Okay this is just sooo cool to see your one lucky man Chris a great find in both undercontrols with upper torso's wow.
Best fo regards Michael
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