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Old 06-10-2005, 03:00 PM   #1
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Default Super Eagle: Big Brother to Eagle we know and love.

I am new here. I have no building experience or funds to build s but I like paper designs and would like to share a conceptual large Eagle or Super Eagle for your comments.
Super Eagle is a double deck version of the basic Eagle. Dimensions are expanded to have a two level ship which means doubling length, width and height which might lead to a craft well over two hundred feet.
In addition, there is a command module aft and both command modules are lengthened so they look like the detachable nose of 'The Ultimate Probe' and have similar capablilities. They act as lifeboats and short ranged explorers/transports.
Engines are relocated to the superstructure fore and aft and are mounted behind/before sponsons at 45, 135, 225,315 degree angles in a ring with fore and aft exhusts for each of eight engines angled to clear the vehicle structure.
Like Fireball XL-5 the CMs can detach but the superstruture contains a control room.
Double decked mission modules can be 'air dropped' without landing and when Super Eagle is landed it can raise itself to allow free access to fore/aft faces of the modules for vehicle unload/loading which could accomodate exploration or defense tanks as required.
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Old 06-10-2005, 04:02 PM   #2
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I think you lost me at "I'm new here".
But go on. This sounds very interesting. Do you have any drawings, plans
or pix to help those of us that are somewhat challenged with picturing
stuff?
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Old 06-10-2005, 05:47 PM   #3
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I am very much into science/technology and am old enough to remember the US showings of Space: 1999. I feel that the series might be revivable if updated and reimagined ala Battlestar Galactica and the science and tech errors corrected.
You can't blast the moon on an interstellar journey but you could take a moon and the solar system has plenty; attach a giant STL/FTL drive system, plant a moon 'city' as was originally intended for the old show and find a reason for it to get lost among the stars. Title change to Space: 2099 or 2199. Author Dave Weber's Mutineers Moon had the moon as an ancient starship which was camoflauged as the moon!
At other sites I saw the nose model from The Ultimate Probe so take that nose which is long enough to carry several passengers and has powerful engines and attach one at each end of our spacecraft in place of the command module forward and engines aft. In between the new detachable lifeboat/explorer nose section imagine a ring that has engines around it attached in such a way that the engine exhust does not hit the Super Eagle structure and having nozzles both front and rear for each engine. Have the same arrangement aft between where superstructure ends and where engines used to be and then place ferryboat style the lengthened nose facing aft. The fore and aft rings mount the engines so that each of four motors aft and forward has it's exhust a clear path of the Eagle. Dimensions of the standard Eagle are double after adding the new sections. This doubling of dimensions causes volume to go up by a factor of eight and calls for larger landing 'feet' to support perhaps a tenfold weight increase. Another site calculated 103 foot length for the standard Eagle so this baby is Big since the height not only permits two decks but width and length scale up also. You would have a jumbo jet sized interior and yes I'm thinking of Airbus A380 scale or Thunderbird 2 size. The enlarged pods carry more equipment/people/vehicles and can be dropped using the pod motors for soft landing on planets without having to land. If landed, the landing gear telescopes ala TB2 so the front/rear of pod is exposed so front and rear loading of vehicles and equipment/cargo is as simple as driving up the folddown ramp doors...Sorry, no pics yet.
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Old 09-10-2005, 03:13 PM   #4
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Old 10-10-2005, 12:24 PM   #5
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A very interesting concept idea indeed, however as the others have said, some pictures of the project to help visualise the craft would be welcome.
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Old 11-10-2005, 03:52 PM   #6
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I'd love to have pics but haven't worked on them yet but I will and ask friend for how to post them.. in meantime, any faults or changers you experienced 'Eagle men" are welcomed as constructive criticism!
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Old 13-10-2005, 05:09 PM   #7
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Layout of the SuperEagle is the pit fwd in the fore/aft nosecones. pit can accomodate fourteen persons in two seats for pilots, four seats for mission specialists/passengers and additional eight paired passenger seats. All seats feature an attached ejection capsule that encloses via clamshell lid down over occupant and then is rocket ejected from pit through blowout panels in roof. Capsule is much like that used in the B-58, F-111, XB-70. Equipped with thrusters for limited manuever, parachute or thruster powered landing. Integral small fusion reactor to power thrusters and life support built into capsule.
Aft of pit is toilet and food prep and then airlock with suits, ladderway to lower deck and port/starboard hatches. Aft hatch is part of docking collar that mates with ship's frame superstructure.
Retractable landing skids along with fuel, stores, fusion reactor with weapons bay for dispensing four missiles for space/air to space/air/surface and exit hatch/ladderway.
All of this is in my head now and will take sometime to get to paper but please comment on design features. Thankyou.
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Old 24-10-2005, 07:10 PM   #8
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Default More Details but drawings aways off.

I have been to the hospital awhile and recently got out. I use a public computer so can't be here all the time but I always checkout this site. I have very little drawing skill even with tools. So I hope you can accept a description for the time being.
The Super Eagle is larger to carry cargoes fitting to a moon 'city' and larger vehicles when exploring.
There are command modules aft as well as forward and as originally intended are large enough to act as lifeboats as well as short range exploration craft.
The engines are located ferry boat fashion fore and aft of the landing gear sponsons so the cages? are lengthened to arrow space for engines which are arranged for a clear exhust out either one of two nozzles, one in front and one in rear of engine chamber.
The engines are fusion types possibly with antimatter catayslast to get a fusion reaction going. Antimatter produced on moon via giant collider which I borrow from Building Harlequines Moon novel by Niven.
The engine design allows acceleration/deceleration by Super Eagele without having to flip over manuever like baseline Eagle.
To allow for the increased length, the pod is increased in length so the proportions stay the same.
Height/length/width allow a two decks layout of entire craft.
Lift engines are also fusion and a set of upward firing engines are mounted behind the main engines.
Fore and aft control booths are in the service module so control of Super Eagle is possible with both CMs detached/operating independendantly and provide redundant control of service module.
Gravity generator, hyperspace generator, power, sensors, life support duplicated in each end of service module.
Command modules are not capable of entering/leaving hyper on their own but must be connected to service module.
Pod engines are fusion type that is atmosphere safe perhaps by using a working fluid heated by reactor and then expanded through nozzles which are thrust vectored and can be operated from within pod to allow space dropping/air dropping of pods without landing.
Landing legs telescope ala TB2 to allow front/rear loading/unloading.
Pod width allows vehicles to be unloaded through side doors that form ramp and carry vehicles sideways up to 35 feet length so a defense tank can be carried.
I like the show with it's flaws and love the Eagle design. I hope my improved version does the original concepts justice.
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Old 24-10-2005, 08:58 PM   #9
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Wow, that's a very ambitious space craft. Hard to imagine without a pic.
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Old 24-10-2005, 11:28 PM   #10
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Because I'm so limited in drawing I have to carry this design in my head and refer to the excellent photos of models you guys have here to keep the Super Eagle in proportion.
Try imagining an Eagle with command module aft in place of engines as well as forward. Then stretch that CM so it somewhat resembles Fireball Jr. Imagine an identical one forward. Then lengten the pod to keep proportions roughly the same. And then lengthen the service module on both ends with engines mounted forward of the landing gear/fuel pods
forward and aft of the after landing gear pods aft with four engines with front/rear nozzles laid on the extra cage sections where they are angled which happens to be forty-five degrees for right lower engine, one hundred thirty five for left lower engine, two hundred twenty five for left upper engine and three hundred fifteen degree point for right upper engine as seen from head on. Exhust nozzles are angled a bit so exhust clears the service module/command module/pod module. Imagine the pattern repeated at the stern with a backward facing CM. Then you have it. Please feel free to comment on the design features.
I have two CMs so one can detach for survey/transport duty and still leaves a lifeboat/CM attached. Or both can detach ala Fireball Jr. and leave an empty service module/pod in orbit or on the ground.
The vertical thrusters have enough oomph to raise an Eagle fairly fast in a one gee or higher field and would with vectoring nozzles ala Harrier be able to provide horizontal movement though the vector must be ninety degrees! Upper engines combine with lower engines to allow Super Eagle to manuever vertically as well as horizontally or speedwise by without changing vehicle aspect. Conveniant and handy in a fight. I always though of Eagle as a powerful truck so this just adds redundancy and flexibility.
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Old 24-10-2005, 11:33 PM   #11
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You need to find yourself some old ERTL kits and make yourself a maquette of the layout. Wouldn't have to be super detailed. Just a layout study model.
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Old 07-11-2005, 04:33 AM   #12
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Any new word on this fascinating creation?
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Old 10-11-2005, 02:33 PM   #13
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I appreciate the compliment. More detail as I imagine them. Got to write this down.
I am deleting the upper firing engines, wastse of space. Hypergenerator and power supply in each end of service module along with control cab for two in ejection capsule seats. Passenger pod and others except cargo have encapsulated ejection seats if fatal damage to craft happens and the CMs are inaccessible or passenger pod carries more than CM lifeboat capability. Fusion generators and superconducting capacitators are power supply with credit to Dave Weber's books.
Materials are stabilized compressed substances that have extreme chemical bonding strength making the craft essentially armoured. Grav generator powers a shield of gravitic stress as first line of defense, hull materials second line and internal bulkheads isolate damaged areas with internal force fields confining damaging energies.
A weapons pod features high energy lasers and bays for reusable drone that closes with target and releases high energy laser directionally then returns to ship to refuel. X-ray laser radiation coming from superconditing capacitator 'batteries'.
Regular missiles can also be ejectionn lauched from pod bays.
The spine can mount boosters and/or four reusable drones.
CMs have lasers. Waaveguides conduct beam from laser generator to beam directors installed so that a spherical field of fire is availible.
Missiles and drones from ship or enemy are subject to interception by lasers or defensive missiles ala GR's Andromeda.
Spine can haul a space/atmospheric fightercraft. Two man crew.
Sensor modules can also be spinal attached.
Probes can be launched also externally/internally.
A turreted plasma gun on belley of weapons pod.
Defense tanks carried by cargo pod or passenger/cargo pods.
Other pods are tanker, hoist,lab, recon.
More as I continue to think out this design. Thankyou but please critique design.
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Whoa! Now thats what Alpha shoulda had. Just get rid of the ineffectual
'laser pointers' they were using and go straight Balls out!
"You want soma this? Then just come on over here and get you some!" LoL

I see you've got this well thought out and well beyond my, 2+2=get a Frakin calculator, science skills
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Old 29-11-2005, 07:13 PM   #15
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Whoa! Now thats what Alpha shoulda had. Just get rid of the ineffectual
'laser pointers' they were using and go straight Balls out!
"You want soma this? Then just come on over here and get you some!" LoL

I see you've got this well thought out and well beyond my, 2+2=get a Frakin calculator, science skills
Have very little time today. Install laser directors on top and bottom of CMs. Have pilots on left and mission specialists on right side. Seating for passenger module increases to eight in two rows of four. I need help drawing this! Anyone out there who might want to take this on? Thanks for continuing support.
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Old 29-11-2005, 08:01 PM   #16
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Hi Sciquest

It seems you have some great ideas about Eagle design - why not have a go at building something for the Contest?

You might even win!
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Old 19-12-2005, 07:11 PM   #17
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Default A Summary of the Super Eagle

The Super Eagle will remain ideas in my head or jotted down here as I cannot at this time draw and post my concept. I do appreciate your encouragement and will continue speculation in the meantime here is a summary of the Super Eagle concept...
1) provides an Eagle with significant payload in passengers, cargo, and vehicles.
2) In a rebooted Space: 1999 provides hyperspace capability to explain speeds through so many star systems in the series. A moon or the moon becomes a giant starship that for some reason cannot return to Earth, perhaps as a lifeboat for humanity from some threat
3) Provides an armament package that is significant via lasers, reusable drone lasers and plasma guns. A special pod for weapons is provided.
4)Returns to earlier concept in which command module was lifeboat/short range explorer.
5) Provides redundancy by mounting command modules and main motors at each end. Engines can reverse thrust, Eagle can accelerate/decelerate without changing attitude
6)Provides escape capabilities
7) Gives speculation in what might be or could be
Thankyou all again. Maybeye someone would like to tackle Super Eagle who can draw, paint, model. Your welcome to use or change my concepts as you please if you want to do this project.
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Old 20-12-2005, 05:22 AM   #18
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Thats a sensible progression, as the Alphans did manage to pick up new
technologies through thier travels. A case in point would be the intact
cruzer Konig brought home in the episode 'Space Warp'.
Not to mention all the bits and pieces scattered across the moons surface
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