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Old 26-05-2011, 06:20 PM   #1
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There are a number of things I liked about the Eagle and a few that bothered me. The forward facing windows were completely flat, which is fine for space but terrible for an atmosphere. However, we clearly see 4 notches on the control module, almost as if the bottom ones were windows as well. True, any forward shots show only the top windows lit. But why are those bottom notches there? It looks to be purely aesthetic, to promote a sense of symmetry. But to me, it seems kind of wasteful given the design.

The Eagle Hawk Mark IV (correction, Mark IX Hawk) has top notches only, where the windows are situated. This makes sense and it looks pretty good. I think it would have been a good move to use this same control module design for the Eagle. If symmetry was essential, then black triangular panels on the bottom could have been affixed to mimic the top. Better still, make them laser ports! That was another thing that bugged me... the laser shooting out from underneath the control module with no apparent nozzle of any kind. It just didn't look right. Having dual lasers fired from the left and right undersides of the front would have been a nice touch.

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Old 26-05-2011, 08:03 PM   #2
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The Eagle Hawk Mark IV has top notches only,
What on earth is the Eagle Hawk Mark IV?

Do you perhaps mean the Mk IX Hawk?


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Old 26-05-2011, 10:37 PM   #3
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Well, I'm just a fan and not a model builder, but I'll offer my opinion.

For the sake of my argument, I'm going to project/assume any moonbase construction is an international undertaking. So too, then, are the Eagles.

From this I can assume that the Eagles are constructed from parts produced by many different countries. Contracted, sub-contracted....Boeing, Airbus, chinese, japanese, russia, etc.....

Then I can assume that one of the most highly prized contracts is the "command module". This is where most of the action happens. It's the most recognized part of the Eagle. Companies will pay top dollar for this!

So then we can assume that two companies, let's say Boeing and Airbus are in furious competition to build the "command module". After not being able to choose a "winner" in this, a decision is made that each company will build half the module, with assembly done in space by a third company. This keeps everyone happy, and keeps the money rolling in. Therefore, a "top" or "bottom" portion of the module is exactly the same. Windows can be added or removed by the Alphans as needed.

Also, this helps in salvage. If a top half of a module is damaged, it's simply removed, and two bottoms are put together. All the other equipment simply slides into place. Interchageable parts!

This can also explain the seemingly high number of faulty Eagles seen in the series. Different parts, companies, countries....bound to be some errors
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Old 26-05-2011, 10:45 PM   #4
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Or maybe it's just a matter of the eagle model being approved & built before the cockpit set was.
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Old 26-05-2011, 11:30 PM   #5
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Or maybe it's just a matter of the eagle model being approved & built before the cockpit set was.
Damn you Healvis!!

Must you be so clever!!!!
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Old 27-05-2011, 04:05 AM   #6
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What on earth is the Eagle Hawk Mark IV?

Do you perhaps mean the Mk IX Hawk?

Heh, yeah--Mark IX Hawk is what I meant. It had been so long since I saw the series, I got the naming a little mixed up. Sorry, no insult intended.

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Or maybe it's just a matter of the eagle model being approved & built before the cockpit set was.
Yeah, that sounds very plausible. Who knows, they may not have even settled upon the scale at that point (the control module might have been considered to have 2 levels at some early point).

VTracey, that's an excellent point. Making the two halves symmetrical makes creation easier--one set of molds for the top and bottom.
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Old 28-05-2011, 04:21 AM   #7
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How aout this: the CM also doubles as a detachable life boat during an emergency, however, there is only room for two seats and control panels in the cockpit. As there is no 'up or down', 'top or bottom' in space, perhaps the lower half of the module shares a common floor, with inverted seating for four, possibly six other passengers (remember, they don't have to face 'forward', they may sit face to face, ala the transporter tubes - this is an emergency after all!) with the actual nose portion of the CM still housing instrumentation. This assumes the floor is central to the CM, which may actually break with what is canon.
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Old 29-05-2011, 07:47 PM   #8
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I like to think of the lower ports as being windows, providing a view of the approaching landing area, like in helicopters and the transparent floor panels in teh Blade Runner Spinner. They would appear unlit since they would be under the cockpit in the footwells.
The problem with the Eagle Cockpit is that the interior sets to not resolve with the exterior design. I have seen many attempts to work it out, but they have to foreshorten the interior and pilots positions are all wacked. In the set there is a raises access between the two seats, which are low. To get the pilots to see out the front windows the seats need to be much higher.
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Old 30-05-2011, 06:10 PM   #9
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^ Yep, it's that darned timing thing... they made the Eagles before the interior sets were established, no doubt.
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Old 31-05-2011, 08:00 AM   #10
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Those lower ports were transparent on the original model as originally built, as were the upper windows through which you can see the pilots. I believe the intent was, as stated above, to allow the pilots a view of the landing area much like a helicopter.

The live action set didn't quite fit with this, and those lower ports on the model were painted black from the back side.
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Old 31-05-2011, 12:38 PM   #11
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Yep!, I've got to add my add my bit and say I too could never understand the the idea of the recessed areas on the underside of the CM.

I don't get the idea of there being windows underneath either, surely they would use a combination of cameras and sensors to land the Eagle.
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Old 31-05-2011, 01:52 PM   #12
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Don't forget this was designed in the early '70s...
The idea of sensors / cameras to monitor landing might have been a little beyond the technology of the day, and windows might have been the most practical solution to spring to mind.
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Old 31-05-2011, 02:10 PM   #13
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I did'nt think of that, You could be right, but then again they must have had some sort advanced electronic avionic systems?

and lets face it although lovely to look at the Command Module never really made a lot of sense with regard to exterior and interior design.

Maybe it's time to go back to the Drawing Board, Lets have a New show with new designs would'nt that be Great!

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Old 31-05-2011, 02:41 PM   #14
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Don't forget this was designed in the early '70s...
The idea of sensors / cameras to monitor landing might have been a little beyond the technology of the day, and windows might have been the most practical solution to spring to mind.
Also, this command module seems to be pretty generic. It's also used for the Ultra probe, and probably other ships/missions.

Keeping it symmetrical allows for greater flexibility.

At least that's my theory!
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Old 31-05-2011, 03:17 PM   #15
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Also, this command module seems to be pretty generic. It's also used for the Ultra probe, and probably other ships/missions.

Keeping it symmetrical allows for greater flexibility.

At least that's my theory!
The Meta Probe had an Eagle CM... the Ultra Probe's CM was like an extended version, though clearly based upon an Eagle CM... I guess it's the 'stretch limo' version!
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Old 24-06-2011, 02:40 PM   #16
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Actually, Brian Johnson said in an interview that he only added the lower windows for symmetry, because it looked good. No other reason, really.
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Old 24-06-2011, 04:30 PM   #17
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Well symmetrical aesthetics is as good a reason as any.
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Old 25-06-2011, 07:30 AM   #18
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Well, they don't have to be windows on the bottom. Just look at the Ultra Probe CM. It had the same cutouts as an Eagle CM, yet it had no windows in front of the pilot seat, just camera views.

My theory in the "Crap Design" thread is the other black areas in the cutouts were locations for phased array radar antennas facing to the side and down for rate and ranging data. The front facing ones could do the same job. These would be perfect for flight, rendezvous data and other stuff. So on the Eagle the bottom ones would be forward looking arrays while the top ones would be windows. And the Ultraprobe would have arrays in all the cutouts.

As to why the Hawk doesn have them? How about ammo storage for the internal mounted gun? Plus it might have a more protected sensor package or armor plating down there given that it is a dedicated combat craft.
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