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Old 09-10-2011, 12:20 PM   #1
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Hi All,

Andy has asked me to post this for all you Scorpio gun fans:

Hi guys, here's a few scans of the original Scorpio gun, I just layed it on the scanner.
This particular gun has been altered during the last season.
Most notably the front barrel, it was remade during that season, and is quite noticable in some of the later episodes.
The ridged section, just behind the barrel and on the front and back of the clip/magazine is made from a cut down piece of aluminium originally used as saftey stair case strips, kind of fits on the right angle of the stairs, to stop slipping...
The gun sight fitting that joins onto the body is part of a shop fitting of making shevles of 1 inch dia tube fit together.
I've forgotten the make of these but I've got a few, when I find them out I'll let you know the maker.
The Scorpio gun has originally designed by JIm Francis and made by Martin Bower.
The original design is extremley similar to what turned up on screen, appart from the front barrel and the sight.
I was given this design and will put it up here when I can, just to clear up a few rumours

A shot of Josette Simon with one of the guns as originally made (notice the differences).

One I made a few years back for myself.


Andy.

Early publicity shot probably before filming commenced:


Two Views of the prop at season four:


Notice the replacement muzzle and the loss of the white lamp cover at the back of the sight. The weapons on B7 changed quite a bit during filming.



Lastly Andy's recreation of this prop as new:
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Old 09-10-2011, 04:29 PM   #2
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Very nice. Measurements? Perhaps one more scan with a ruler in the image?
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Old 09-10-2011, 10:28 PM   #3
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That replica is stunning, absolutely perfect! Incredible work.

Here is the one I made (about 20 years ago ), which sadly, is not as perfect

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Oh, wow - incredible stuff! Thank you for sharing
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:19 PM   #5
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It seems to me, form observation of photos, that the each prop had a different number of 'reveals' grooved into the real of the flash hider...perhaps a way to tell them apart? numbering system? It seems to range from none to three...
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:29 PM   #6
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Wow, thanks Andy for some more great photos, and thanks to Bernie for putting them up!!

I've always "sort of" wanted a clip gun, but it's the thought of all that aluminium turning ... b-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-r!!! I'd actually have to get it done "for real" rather than faking it in plastic!!
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Old 10-10-2011, 11:39 PM   #7
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That replica is stunning, absolutely perfect! Incredible work.

Here is the one I made (about 20 years ago ), which sadly, is not as perfect

Don't knock your own work, I would have loved to reach that standard of craftsmanship and been very happy with it. How much information can you actually get from fuzzy video grabs and grainy photos, I bet it would be a whole other story if you remade it today.
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Old 11-10-2011, 06:18 AM   #8
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How much information can you actually get from fuzzy video grabs and grainy photos, I bet it would be a whole other story if you remade it today.
Thanks for the nice comments.

This is what worries me, I have a horrible suspicion that might end up happening

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That replica is stunning, absolutely perfect! Incredible work.

Here is the one I made (about 20 years ago ), which sadly, is not as perfect

Thats your Scorpio Gun!!!! :0

I ahve had the picture sitting on my laptop for the last 10 years. I loved the way you designed the clip... Man, its a small world!

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Old 11-10-2011, 04:32 PM   #10
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Does anyone know what kind of charge they used in these and other guns used in Blakes 7? I once was told it was a capacitor of some sort, but I'm sure you all would have a better idea!

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Old 11-10-2011, 05:17 PM   #11
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No it wasn't a capacitor.

The charge fits inside a metal jack plug.
I think it would probably be unethical and irresponsible to go into details of how they are made, but it's basically a small black powder charge.
Some of the Fed guns in season 1 used flash wool, which goes off with a flash but no smoke.

Hope that helps.

Andy.

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Old 11-10-2011, 10:40 PM   #12
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Safer options would be a small flash gun, cheap enough to buy from ebay, perhaps from a small broken digital camera, a few bucks to experiment is a bet worth making.

Alternatively, use something called flash paper - look under stage pyrotechnics. You'll need to rig a wire heater (similar to a hot wire foam cutter) across a battery to start ignition but they work ok.

The flash gun has the advantage that it can be used time after time with no replacing of charges. There are also plenty of cheap electronic guns with internals that could be "modified" into a replica that would be quite satisfying, a lot of them will make noises too. If you fiddle with resistor values you can alter the tones radically.

Hope it helps and inspires you.
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Totally understandable...
Thinking it was something off the shelf was incorrect...
Thanks for putting me on the straight path...

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No it wasn't a capacitor.

The charge fits inside a metal jack plug.
I think it would probably be unethical and irresponsible to go into details of how they are made, but it's basically a small black powder charge.
Some of the Fed guns in season 1 used flash wool, which goes off with a flash but no smoke.

Hope that helps.

Andy.
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Hi Guys,

Sorry it's been a while getting back on this, but here you go...
(Btw, don't go by the photos as there is a little lens distortion.)

Overall gun length (front to back) 270mm.
Body length 167mm.
Barrel length 103mm.
Overall sight length 173mm, alli part length 155mm.
Overall body thinkness 21mm, black part 16mm sandwiched between two 3mm (ish) alli sheets.

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Hi Guys,

Sorry it's been a while getting back on this, but here you go...
(Btw, don't go by the photos as there is a little lense distortion.)

Overall gun lenght (front to back) 270mm.
Body lenght 167mm.
Barrel lenght 103mm.
Overall sight lenght 173mm, alli part lenght 155mm.
Overall body thinkness 21mm, black part 16mm sandwiched between two 3mm (ish) alli sheets.

Hope this helps...
Andy.
It does! I have to get mine out and see how close I got.

Since you built one of these, can you say specifically what size mirror screws were used, and a source for the ridged stair protector and that textured bit inside the oblong reveal on the sides of the receiver....

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It does! I have to get mine out and see how close I got.

Since you built one of these, can you say specifically what size mirror screws were used, and a source for the ridged stair protector and that textured bit inside the oblong reveal on the sides of the receiver....
Please?
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Since you built one of these, can you PLEASE say specifically what size mirror screws were used, and a source for the ridged stair protector and that textured bit inside the oblong reveal on the sides of the receiver....
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Blimey, I missed this thread!

Jaw dropping photos, thank you again for sharing, bloomin marvellous stuff!

I remember when I found out how the clip was secured in the magazine housing, a simple magnet, sheer genius!

The trigger mechanism for the switch is a meaty bit of kit isn't it, Paul Darrow proof perhaps?

Great to see the holster, quite a rarity.

Did you have access to an original holster, or did you work out the dimensions from the original Clip Gun you had access to?


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I was given this design and will put it up here when I can, just to clear up a few rumours
Oooh, if you ever get the chance would love to see it.

Thanks Andy and Bernie, great photos and info in this thread, brilliant stuff.

- Andy
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That replica is stunning, absolutely perfect! Incredible work.

Here is the one I made (about 20 years ago ), which sadly, is not as perfect

Yours was flippin brilliant Kev, strong too.

I seem to remember a contest of strength was once held between your Clip Gun and a car, the car came second as I recall!

- Andy
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Yours was flippin brilliant Kev, strong too.

I seem to remember a contest of strength was once held between your Clip Gun and a car, the car came second as I recall!

- Andy
Thanks Andy, yep, you are right, I dropped it on my old Daihatsu Charade! The gun was fine, the car got chipped!
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