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Old 26-04-2014, 09:22 PM   #1
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Default My 1st Eagle build...AMT Eagle/scratch build

Hi all,

I recently started my 1st Eagle build using the AMT release of the old MPC Fundimensions Eagle 1 kit.

I was inspired by eagle3's Airfix Eagle build so here is the start...

I started building the cages, using Evergreen Styrene rods, with a simple jig I made which really helped speed up the process and keep everything straight.

For the spine I decided to attempt to make the kit's spine a bit more accurate looking. I took the 2 halves of the spine apart and filed and scraped the supports so they appear rounded. The spine halves are also shortened in the middle and I replaced the vertical and diagonal supports with styrene rods. So far I like the results but I'm still considering scratch building a new spine using brass rod(or tubing) for the horizontal supports and styrene rods for the vertical and diagonals.

I'll try and use as much of the AMT kit as possible. The kit's passenger pod will be modified as well as the shoulder pods. This kit's shoulder pods are loosely based on Eagle 2's details but not very accurate so I started to remove the raised details, which will be replaced with more accurate looking Eagle 1 details. I'll post some pictures of the shoulder pods soon.

Any thoughts and comments will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for taking the time to look in at my build!

Mike.
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Old 26-04-2014, 11:55 PM   #2
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Thanks Richard for the nice compliments!

I'm using 2 mm styrene rods for the main pipes of the cages and 1.6 mm rods for the diagonal supports. I had these on hand and they look about right for the scale.

I'm using Tamiya Extra Thin liquid cement and Plastruct Plastic Weld liquid cement on the styrene rods. I've had no issues with these glues holding. These are the main types of glue I've been using for a while on my models. They are great and really melt the plastic together.

For reference I'm using a combination of the Daniel Prud'Homme blueprints and a Jim Small modified WARP Eagle kit which seems to be in scale with the AMT Eagle kit.

I do like how the spine looks so far but am a bit concerned with it's strength when it's finished.

BTW, at 2 mm diameter, would brass rod or brass tubing be stronger, if I decide to scratch build the spine?

I could always drill the ends out to look like the 44" studio model Eagle's spine if I use brass rod.

Thanks,

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Old 28-04-2014, 08:12 AM   #3
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Default An itch which you can actually scratch....

Crowe-t, fantastic pictures and really interesting detail on the reworked spine. For what it's worth, I believe your spine will be strong enough - you'll find a lot of strength and rigidity comes when you start fitting the transverse spars at the widest points, which the kit spine never had. If you go down that route I'd be keen to hear how you get on - would be my preferred method of construction if / when I start pulling apart an Airfix Eagle.

Keep up the good work anyway - look forward to future posts from your Technical Section.

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Old 28-04-2014, 11:23 AM   #4
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They look really good
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Old 30-04-2014, 07:47 PM   #5
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Wow that is a great start! I like the jig too.
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:48 PM   #6
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Thanks guys for the nice comments!

I've been slowly chipping away at the spine and have most of it done. I ran out of 2 mm styrene rods so I'll have to get more.

Let me know what you all think.

Mike.
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Old 03-05-2014, 05:45 AM   #7
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....'cos it looks just great, Mike. All that hard work's paid off - this Eagle's going to be a beauty.

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Old 03-05-2014, 10:09 PM   #8
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Thanks Patrick!

Here's a small update. I removed the raised details off of one of the shoulder pods which will be replaced with Eagle 1 details. In addition I shortened the pod lengthwise(from front to back). It's about 2 mm longer then it's width which seems about right at this scale. The shoulder pods should be slightly longer then their width but the AMT's pods are a bit too long.

I also removed the landing strut connection on the bottom of the pod. It's still very rough but that will all be cleaned up before I apply the raised details and close off the bottom.

Thanks,

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Old 05-05-2014, 10:21 PM   #9
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Hi all,

Here's some work I started on the passenger pod. I removed the built in landing gear on the bottom which I'll replace with something more accurate. Also the AMT kit's V-Tols were removed. Those will be replaced with (Mike Reader) aluminum V-Tols. Evergreen 2 mm half round rods were used to fill in the missing rods on the bottom.

I used some Evergreen .020 V-Groove sheet(.025" spacing) for the channels on the sides of the pod and added the missing cutout(shown with green arrow) at the tops of the doors.

That's all for today. Thanks for looking in!

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Old 13-05-2014, 11:00 PM   #10
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Thanks Richard!

I did some work on the passenger pod. I made the end walls. They still need to be refined and some details added but here they are so far.

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Old 14-05-2014, 10:51 AM   #11
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Mike, that all looks top quality, both on the underside of the pod and at the front and rear bulkheads. As with other members currently replacing what seems like 90% of the original kit, your labours will be rewarded when you have a beautifully completed Eagle. Thanks for posting the photographs, always of interest to your fellow builders,

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Old 14-05-2014, 03:57 PM   #12
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Patrick, I really appreciate your encouraging words. I'm trying to use as much of the original kit as possible but there are several parts that are way off. As far as the kit's CM goes, I'm considering using a resin replacement. The kit's original CM just doesn't look right.

BTW, you were right about the spine, after the transverse spars were fitted it is much stronger.

Mike.
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Old 14-05-2014, 09:33 PM   #13
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Today I continued working on the passenger pod. I installed the remaining bulkhead and also attached one of the top sides.

I attached a picture showing the back side of one of the bulkheads. It's made up of 3 pieces. The front 2 pieces are .5 mm and the rear is 1 mm for strength.

The other 2 pictures show the progress of the passenger pod.

Please let me know what you all think so far.

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Mike, I'm keeping a keen eye on your pod construction, and that of moonhugger, with the prospect of building my own in the near future. Yours is a tricky build because if you make an error at any stage, you can't go back and get another pod panel from the original kit. Keep going - can't wait to see the end result.

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Thanks Patrick! I've been careful not to make a mistake with the original kit parts. It's not perfect or 100% accurate to the 44" studio model given the shape of the AMT kit parts. I've had to make some compromises to make everything fit but all in all I'm happy with the results and feel it looks the part.

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Old 15-05-2014, 08:58 PM   #16
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I was able top get a small amount of work done today.

I attached the remaining top side on the passenger pod. I'm waiting on a shipment of some model supplies so I'll be able to get back to finishing the spine in a few days. Below are a couple of pictures of the passenger pod, one with the spine placed on top.

All comments welcome.

Thanks,

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Old 16-05-2014, 12:22 AM   #17
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Your alterations and additions are looking great! I have this kit and I have made some 3D models of some missing parts and I started going overboard with designing 3D parts to replace pretty much the entire model! I'm waffling over just building the AMT kit with all it warts and then scratchbuilding a more true-to-original companion model, or trying to make all the changes to the AMT kit to make it more accurate.
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Old 16-05-2014, 05:58 AM   #18
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Thanks Joseph! With regard to the AMT Eagle kit, it's hard to decide on how much to change and scratch build since all the areas are quite off. For a time I was going to scratch build a new spine but was determined to try and use the kit's spine to some extent. This is my first Eagle build so I didn't want to do a complete scratch build and I'm having fun trying to make the kit parts look more accurate.

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Default Spine and pod check A-OK.

Looks fine to me Mike - keep up the good work.

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Old 28-05-2014, 10:17 PM   #20
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Thanks again Patrick!

I finished adding the rest of the cross braces to the spine.

Today I finished the framework in the rear where the engines attach.

Thanks for looking.

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