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Old 23-07-2017, 01:46 AM   #1
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Default New MPC/Round 2 Cargo Eagle - build #3

Last Wednesday I went to the local ParcelFarce depot to pick up my pre-order shipment from HobbyLinc. In total it cost me (including postage and HMRC ransom demand) £4 less that a well known UK SF model retailer wants for it and I've already got it instead of having to wait until August!



As usual the box is fully of plastic and the new parts are very obvious



New sets of decals in addition to the originals



and for the build I am about to start, this will be the base for it...



I couldn't wait and started building it last night

(just realised I posted my initial threadon the wrong board!)

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Old 23-07-2017, 01:51 AM   #2
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So As I said, I started work on it last night, the first thing I did was start planning the way the model will be displayed. Since this version has the winch option, it would be good to display it deployed with a nuclear waste canister in transit. Therefore it needs to be shown flying - this poses a familiar problem: how to support it?

The idea I've come up with will, needless to say if you know my modelling style, involve cotton wool This will give you an idea of where I'm going with the concept...



The supports will need to be longer but this pins down the location - I used my existing model to work out where the vertical thrust engines would be and this is where the support pillars will connect with the model - they will also act as conduits for the power to the lights... yes I'll be lighting it again

So the first part of the build was to put together one of the nuclear waste canisters to see how deep I need the base to be able to build the silo into it



Oh dear, look like I'll have to double the thickness! Next, the two part spine has been stuck together to give it plenty of time to set hard. The only complaint I have with this kit is the mould lines on most of the framework pieces - I've spent the last 2 months sanding bloody mould lines from the 1914 Dennis Fire Engine so I've pretty much had enough bloody sanding!!!



Next the main cargo pallet was assembled - this is the central component of the build so it needs to be done right...



Once that was secure the upper framework could be added, again with more bloody sanding of the bloody frames!!!



The winch sits in the middle of this comes as multiple pieces that go together with a little bit of fiddling



However the central joint is a bit manky and needs filler - there is a central piece to be added (see second pic) which covers the joint down the centreline but the sides need filling





Looking at the winch, there is a hemispherical blob in the top left that looks like it would be a perfect candidate for replacement with a flashing LED... I'm regretting assembling the winch now as it would have been easier to do that surgery before assembly... oh well, live and learn!

So thats as far as I've got so far - haven't really started on the Eagle itself yet and I've yet to decided how much lighting I'll put in it: keep it simple and just light the cockpit or do the same as my second build last year which won and Telford with landing lights and flashing nav lights or go further...
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Old 26-07-2017, 07:47 AM   #3
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Very nice descriptions and details, your making it fun for all of us! (salute)

I say make it better (more) than the last one! your learning things as you go along and I'm sure your last Eagle taught you a few things put it to good use (dreams)
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Old 26-07-2017, 10:11 AM   #4
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Ahh someone is interested - was beginning to think that after 80 views and no comments nobody was the slightest bit interested in my build so wasn't going to post anymore updates.
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Old 26-07-2017, 10:52 AM   #5
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More updates...PLEASE! (prays)
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Old 26-07-2017, 06:16 PM   #6
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More updates...PLEASE! (prays)

Can't agree more….
Don't stop posting Boldman, just because there are only a few comments so far doesn't mean there is nobody there interested…( i personally don't come there ( or elsewhere ) every day ).

This new winch pod looks to build beautifully so far.

The diorama idea sounds interesting as well, making the Eagle overing the nuclear waste area in a convincing way ( the other option would be using extra thin fishing thread, as the actual filming models…but where to anchor them ... ) , a difficult task on static display models, for sure ….can't wait to see more about this !
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Old 26-07-2017, 08:01 PM   #7
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Keep up the good work...I'm very interested in seeing how you go about wiring up the lighting when you get to that stage.
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Old 27-07-2017, 12:42 AM   #8
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Well since there seems to be some interest I will continue to post updates

The next stage of the build is to start on the beak, I've glued the windows on and masked the transparent bits. The two halves have been glued together and will be left until tomorrow to dry and then the joint be sanded



On the inside, for the lower windows which will be painted over, I used the usual plastic cement, but for the upper windows which will be transparent I use white PVA glue instead as this doesn't risk 'fogging' the windows with solvent.



I build the spine upside down as its easier to get flat and slot the lower spars in. Its a tricky thing to build but the 'H' pieces sort out the alignment very well.



Other spars added



Finally I turn it over and slot the smaller upper spars in. The spine will now be left for at least a day to dry so it becomes nice and strong.



This is the frame that supports*the beak and the brackets that attach*to the beak. I've never been happy about the 'bands' that are moulded into these pieces - they never fully match up when glued so I sand them off, and at the same time remove the mould lines and ejector pin marks that mar the parts.



I then glue the brackets onto the frame and once they are dry, I use some 1.5mm x 0.25mm plastic strip (I have TONS of this waiting to build bar-armour AFVs!) to replace the sanded off 'bands'. I use the beak rear panel to help align the brackets properly.



Finally in this update, I've started working on the landing gear pods, building the lower parts in preparation for adding lights and wiring. I'm going to add landing lights and flashing*nav lights just like I did in the #2 build last year, but this time round*I may add some more...

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Old 27-07-2017, 12:53 AM   #9
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YaY he's adding "more!" (runs in circles) I'm luv'n it so far (and taking notes)
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Old 28-07-2017, 09:46 AM   #10
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Update from the last couple of days...

The base is starting to take shape, since the diorama accessory set won't be available until later in the year I'm going to have to scratch build the nuclear waste silo cover.



Then with some geometry advice, I was able to cut a paper template to make the cone that sits atop the nuclear waste silo



I can't go much further than this at the moment until new supplies of plastic card arrive, hopefully soon.
The aim is to make it look like this:



In the meantime other sub-assembiles have been built such as the engines - 3rd time this was easy as anything - made all the mistakes in the first two builds!



Initial paint for the cockpit. After 2 builds I know just how much is visible in the windows so not wasting too much effort on painting many details.



Pilots have been given their first coat of orange, Again I know now how much detail is visible in the windows so won't waste a lot of effort trying to make these look perfect.
They are scaled down versions of the 1:24 scale Gemini pilots which were not great models int he first place!



However, removing the seams on the beak is a VERY important job and worth spending time and effort on!



Walkway 'shelves' assembled and drying ready for some serious sanding work later.



Initial walkway assembly with filler drying to eliminate the visible seams. The inner sleeves that hold the pod legs have been cut away to allow access for the LED wires.



This evening was spent sanding the filler and drilling holes in the walkways in preparation for the supports



I used the thruster bells as the templates for the drilling. The path of the supports once inside is very close to the walls, so much so that I've had to sand channels into the walls to allow the supports to enter without ending up at an angle. One of the supports in each walkway will have an electrical connector on the end and a matching socket for it to plug into. I discovered this evening that I don't have enough of these or if I do I can't find them - look like a trip to Maplins will be needed!

The hole in the thruster bells are 9.5mm which is what I originally designed the supports to be but this is too big for the walkways themselves, so I've had to drop down to 7.9mm tubes instead so the holes in the walkways are 8mm diam. This means I'll need to construct a good solid support structure inside the walkway to support the model.

The rear wall of the cockpit got a dirt wash this evening - I'll take a photo of it later and post. in addition, the rear wall of the beak and its matching walkway bracket had the holes drilled/sanded to take the electrical connectors for the LED(s) in the cockpit.



These are initially held in with superglue, but once the wires are soldered on, both internal ends will be sealed with milliput to give the plug and socket strength. I've also been sorting the LEDs I want to use, red, blue and green flashers, bright white for landing lights and a red one for the cockpit. Will also need an orange flasher for the top of the nuclear silo - thankfully I bought a large assortment of coloured flashers last year that should have something appropriate to use. Need to decide exactly where the batteries will go in the base and where the switch will be...

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Old 28-07-2017, 04:33 PM   #11
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WoW! a lot of helpful and interesting tips here, Thank You! (salutes)

but ... are you having fun? looks like you are, I know I am watching and following this
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Old 28-07-2017, 04:54 PM   #12
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Boldman, just 'cos I'm looking and not posting. doesn't mean I've forgotten you! Currently working on my own 22" Eagle, so many of your comments about "painting what needs to be painted" and so on are really useful. The winch pallet looks amazing, and it will be great to see the underground storage area!

I've always thought that there could have been an episode in Season 1 or 2 (or 3?) in which Area 2 was found to have reactivated itself, bringing fresh danger to the Alphans - another opportunity to see those wonderful winch Eagles in operation, perhaps combined with a rescue story. Another flashback episode could have been set during Alpha's construction phase, giving us the chance to see winch Eagles gently setting down huge panels and beams on the foundations.

Anyway, I'm way ahead of myself - thanks for all the great pictures and tips, and please continue to let us see more.

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Old 29-07-2017, 09:57 AM   #13
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Thanks guys, glad you are enjoying the updates Here is another for your delectation...

This evening was about digging out the soldering iron and starting on the electrics, particularly around the cockpit. First up was to solder the Surface-mount LEDs to the pins on the back of the cockpit and attach the rear bulkhead, then complete the painting of the pilots and attach them. Finally building a framework to support the LEDs...



Testing the lights



and with the lights off:



Professionally, I'm a software engineer and over the years I've become accustomed to 'unit test' things as I go along and the electrics on this are the perfect case in point. Every stage gets a test by connecting the battery to make sure the connections are secure and the right way around! Here you can see the cockpit bracket glued to the walkway, now with wires soldered to the 2 pin connectors





So of course they got unit tested again!



Next the decals got added:



and the inside of the beak got painted black to block light leakage through the white plastic. Once that is dried then the cockpit is all ready to be closed up.

Finally in this update, more soldering...



These are the plugs and sockets that will be put into the walkways and support tubes to allow power to get up into the Eagle from the batteries hidden in the base. Sadly the 7.9 mm tubes still haven't arrived and I'm getting impatient
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Old 29-07-2017, 04:33 PM   #14
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Superb work and thank you for the painting tips.
I have my first build just started and have a cargo eagle on pre-order, due sometime around early September.

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Old 29-07-2017, 05:00 PM   #15
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I clearly looks better with some light in there…. but still intimidating when you're not familiar with soldering, LEDs etc….
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Old 30-07-2017, 02:22 AM   #16
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Yes keep posting Boldman. We are interested. Sometimes getting replies on here can be slow and I actually missed this thread until now.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:14 AM   #17
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great step by step! thank you! (salute)
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Old 01-08-2017, 11:44 AM   #18
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Default Illuminating subject....

Again, this is all really interesting stuff - I would love to light my Eagle but, having never lifter a soldering iron in my life, I have had to take the decision of "I either build this beautiful kit now, or leave it in bits until I work out how to attach LEDs to wires, etc etc".

Please continue to let us see your progress - the 22" Eagle is a fantastic kit and I certainly want to try and do it justice, and any guidance is much appreciated. Keep up the good work!

Kindest regards

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Old 01-08-2017, 12:54 PM   #19
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I too would love to add details like lights etc but its all beyond me. I just sit back and admire other peoples work in this field.
Great stuff, looking very good.
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Thanks guys, glad you are enjoying it
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