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Old 18-11-2006, 11:14 PM   #1
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The De-fib machine. Utter bollocks.

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Old 18-11-2006, 11:22 PM   #2
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Agreed. OK he took the antidote but if the poison would make his heart arrest once, why wouldn't it do the same immediately after he uses the defib to start it again. It would make more sense if the defib acted like a pacemaker until the antidote did it's stuff. Also it seems an incredibly unlikely gadget to carry when there's so much more the car should carry.
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Old 18-11-2006, 11:25 PM   #3
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Like a hi-vis vest and a warning triangle.

So, is there a general, all-purpose anti-dote that neutralises all poisons, or did they know what the poison would be?...
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Old 18-11-2006, 11:31 PM   #4
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Vesper: "Rolex?"
Bond "Omega"



"Cheap smiles and expensive watches"... yeah, ok..
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Old 18-11-2006, 11:31 PM   #5
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If you watch it again (the joy of a second viewing) he sticks a sensor needle in his wrist first which sent biometric data to HQ for them to analyse. They then told him it was digitalis and to use the antidote in the blue vial and inject it into the vein in his neck with the injector gun before wiring up the defib.
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Totally missed that. Thanks.
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Old 18-11-2006, 11:33 PM   #7
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The next thing to irritate me was Vesper knowing a. that it was a defib and b. knowing why and exactly where to put the wire!
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Old 18-11-2006, 11:34 PM   #8
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Totally missed that. Thanks.
Yeah, it wasn't quite as clear as it could've been.

I said exactly the same thing. How did she know where the wire was supposed to go or that it even needed plugging in. The socket wasn't obvious.
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Old 18-11-2006, 11:38 PM   #9
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On the plus side, I was so relieved to see that Bond couldn't resuscitate Vesper. As he was massaging her chest (ahem!) I was cringing in my seat and dreading her spluttering to life. CPR etc only revives 1 in 10,000 patients if that. Any medic will tell you.
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Old 18-11-2006, 11:39 PM   #10
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The stupid thing is that that defib scene could have been completely exorcised from the movie. You could have cut from him making himself sick in the toilet to him going back to the table.
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Old 19-11-2006, 12:36 AM   #11
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Now that I think of it, the drowning scene was extremely well done I thought; a few lungfulls of water, the body goes into shock and you pass out/drown.

Aside: How realistic is the floatation bag thingy; are houses really partially bouyed up like that? S'pose they must be.
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Old 19-11-2006, 01:15 AM   #12
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I understand the idea was that foundation work was being done on the building and the floatation bags were there to assist holding the building up. Try not to think too hard about it. I was wondering more if the canals of Venice were as clear as that.
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Old 19-11-2006, 01:26 AM   #13
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I was wondering more if the canals of Venice were as clear as that.
Lol, again; me too. I was thinking "you wouldn't be able to see shit down there, Bond"!
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Old 19-11-2006, 01:37 AM   #14
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I think there's a high probability that he would see shit down there along with crisp wrappers and disguarded condoms..
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Old 19-11-2006, 10:55 AM   #16
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Whoa... they poisoned Bond with digitalis?? (professional curiousity rears its ugly head) There are a lot easier ways to knock someone off, but this is Bond, after all. On the up side, a community based defibrillator is truly almost idiot proof and easy to use. On the down side, the antidote is up to 20 vials of an antibody called digibind and the dose is based on the amount on dig in the bloodstram and a person's weight. You just don't go slamming it into a person willy nilly. Even if, if, the rhythm Bond falls into is a shockable one, and not all are, there is still a period of over 30 minutes of intense supportive care needed until the digibind kicks in. And this is the stripped down version of management.

Okay, I'm not a huge Bond fan if truth be told (they are better than a sedative for putting me to sleep ) I might just have to see his one to see DX's moment of crowning glory and this dig scene.
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Old 19-11-2006, 11:19 AM   #17
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Cricket, trust me on this. You'll forgive the odd lapse of specialist knowledge in the script. If you don't like this film you're a Sidon.
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If there is anything medical in the film, my missus will pick up on it and comment, usually with the words 'as if', unfortunately this is a case of her having a bit too much knowledge on such subjects, but she feels the need to pass a comment rather than just sit and watch, after all I try to say its not real life so what does it really matter.

We are going to see the film later this afternoon.
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...unfortunately this is a case of her having a bit too much knowledge on such subjects, but she feels the need to pass a comment rather than just sit and watch
Yes, my husband would be utterly sympathetic. It's the reason why he won't watch any of the CSI's with me. I've learned to steam in private, or at least mutter quietly... for the most part.

I may have to wait till this comes out on DVD. Kid responsibilities, you know.
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Old 19-11-2006, 08:45 PM   #20
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Don't get me started on CSI. It never ceases to amaze me how they manage to read a newspaper lying in the road by enlarging a video picture from a security camera mounted on the roof of a building aimed at the whole street. Puts any software that Bond has available to shame. Adobe would love an Unsharp Mask algorithm that could do that. That and the ability to list sixteen Albanian waiters all living with their mother's within ten miles of the murder scene by pressing six buttons on a keyboard.
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