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Old 20-07-2010, 06:47 PM   #21
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I'm guessing that the half tubes indicated were 2.5 inch drain pipes (this fits with the scale of the guys hand in the picture and they would have been readily available. That would make the drop tanks about six inches long....very large for a standard kit but might be from a radio controlled aircraft? Any thoughts ?
The other rectangular piece looks very much like the baking tray i have in my kitchen..its the same shape and approx the same size !
As any horse owner will tell you a hand is four inches, If you double your estimates I think you'll be getting closer. There are Airfix girder bridge parts down the center of the model and this is ideal for taking measurements.. For the "baking tray" think breakfast tray.
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Old 20-07-2010, 06:57 PM   #22
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hi - the drop tanks look more like about 12 inches long to me

amazing pics btw, SURELY this wasn't just trashed after filming..?

the one that gets blown up in Attack on Cloudbase looks like a way way smaller model to me

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You may be right Mike I'm just approximating. I calculated six inches in length by taking a section of the drain pipe width and flipping it 90 degrees thus giving me a 2.5 inch "measure", then dropped it over the drop tank length. If im right about the width of the pipe that would make the drop tanks about six inches in length but I agree they do look longer...i think its an optical illusion.
Of course if the diameter of the tubes is greater than 2.5 inch then the drop tanks would be much longer. It's all guesswork right now.



Here is another comparison using the guys hand. Of course I don't know how big his hand is (he may be a giant!) but my hand size is approx 2.5 inches across and using that as an average they would be around the six inch mark...


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Old 20-07-2010, 07:09 PM   #23
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No idea why I'm not getting notifications of this thread, but will have to check my Virgin spam folder again.

I used these drawings when I built mine. For a 45cm long Cloudbase the interceptors turned out to be 26mm in length (nose to overhanging tail).

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Old 20-07-2010, 07:13 PM   #24
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great work slate

I still say nearer 10 inches to a foot - my hand is 3 inches across the 4 fingers

taking into account the angle of the guys hand I reckon the drop tank is at least 3 hands wide if the hands were butted together

could be wrong though photos can deceive

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You may be right Mike I'm just approximating. I calculated six inches in length by taking a section of the drain pipe width and flipping it 90 degrees thus giving me a 2.5 inch "measure", then dropped it over the drop tank length. If im right about the width of the pipe that would make the drop tanks about six inches in length but I agree they do look longer...i think its an optical illusion.
Of course if the diameter of the tubes is greater than 2.5 inch then the drop tanks would be much longer. It's all guesswork right now.



Here is another comparison using the guys hand. Of course I don't know how big his hand is (he may be a giant!) but my hand size is approx 2.5 inches across and using that as an average they would be around the six inch mark...


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Old 20-07-2010, 07:35 PM   #25
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As any horse owner will tell you a hand is four inches, If you double your estimates I think you'll be getting closer. There are Airfix girder bridge parts down the center of the model and this is ideal for taking measurements.. For the "baking tray" think breakfast tray.
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great work slate

I still say nearer 10 inches to a foot - my hand is 3 inches across the 4 fingers

taking into account the angle of the guys hand I reckon the drop tank is at least 3 hands wide if the hands were butted together

could be wrong though photos can deceive

Mike
Yeah you guys may well be right. It's so hard to nail it down for sure. If we managed to ldentify the drop tanks then it would really help scaling this. I'm not too up on 60's model aircraft but whatever they came from it must have been large !
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Old 20-07-2010, 07:41 PM   #26
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I have taken some measurements from an Airfix bridge piece and made it 55mm / 2.25 inch across. The tear drop is 4 times this so is 9 inches long and the pipe is 4inches. I agree the wheel is 6 inches in diameter. This thing was HUGE!
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Old 20-07-2010, 07:46 PM   #27
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I have taken some measurements from an Airfix bridge piece and made it 55mm / 2.25 inch across. The tear drop is 4 times this so is 9 inches long and the pipe is 4inches. I agree the wheel is 6 inches in diameter. This thing was HUGE!
Nice one Bill that's a great start !! Google tells me that 4 inch plastic ventilation pipe was available in the early sixties

So now we are looking for 9 inch drop tanks...flamin' 'eck !

I also think you are correct about the piece that looks like a tray....i bet it was pinched from the canteen ! Looks just about the right size and shape !




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Old 20-07-2010, 08:09 PM   #28
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I see the good ol' Airfix girder bridge even turns up on Cloudbase - the baseplates are across the middle on the bottom view.

Oh yeah, sorry just noticed you'd already spotted it.

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Old 20-07-2010, 08:36 PM   #29
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looks like theres some of that 1/2" aluminium corrugated hose pipe the same that Im after used in the centre, 6 of them coming out of a box of some sort

get searching cos I need some

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Old 20-07-2010, 10:23 PM   #30
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looks like theres some of that 1/2" aluminium corrugated hose pipe the same that Im after used in the centre, 6 of them coming out of a box of some sort

get searching cos I need some

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I'm looking at that box and thinking dump truck
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Old 21-07-2010, 06:00 AM   #31
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I wonder if the Drop tanks were the same ones used for the large Sky 1
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Old 21-07-2010, 07:02 AM   #32
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Default Drop tanks....

Not from SKY 1 either, it's a similar shape maybe at 10 inches long the scale is big.

I would think they are from one of the Aero Modelling companies either the Ripmax Canopy selection or the Model and Plans Handbook (MAP) sold in the 1960's / 70s. They produced a range of wing tip fuel tanks, undercarriage spats, canopies and the like . Something of this size and shape could just as easily be made on site in the model shop too. If they followed the usual method they used this shape that was produced for something else.

Perhaps a whole model in a smaller scale, I'm not that familiar with Captain Scarlet, maybe something from TB6 at puppet scale and in production around the same time maybe a candidate?

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Just a quick point - is this thread in the right area of the forum ? Shouldn't it be in SHADO ops ?

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Old 21-07-2010, 11:45 AM   #34
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dont know why but the tubes underneath remind me of the foam type you get on BMX bikes or similar
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looks like theres some of that 1/2" aluminium corrugated hose pipe the same that Im after used in the centre, 6 of them coming out of a box of some sort

get searching cos I need some

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Yeah good call on that Mike. I was wondering what those parts might be. Its a shame there are no better shots of the undeside. I will have to go get the DVD's out and work the episodes looking for grabs but mostly its just stock footage used for Cloudbase.

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dont know why but the tubes underneath remind me of the foam type you get on BMX bikes or similar
Well they would have to be WAY larger Mike. Also, the foam type would not take cellulose paint. I am still thinking of large drainage pipe or ventilation ducting.
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Old 21-07-2010, 12:42 PM   #36
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only thing would be the weight of it, which Im sure they would have taken into account, I reckon it might be card tube

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Old 21-07-2010, 12:56 PM   #37
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only thing would be the weight of it, which Im sure they would have taken into account, I reckon it might be card tube

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Thats entirely possible mate yes...perhaps those large tubes that rolls of carpet come on ?

In case anyone here has not seen it, here is a scan of Cloudbase from the Alan Shubrook book. It's the same pic as the earlier one posted but in a higher resolution.


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Old 21-07-2010, 02:36 PM   #38
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here is the Cloudbase Lower View again with updated dimensions based on the Airix Girder part. This gives us a clear 55mm "measure" for the rest of the model. Dimensions can still only remain approximate due to perspective, heights of different parts etc but it does really help. Cloudbase is not a six foot model as I have read elsewhere on the 'net...its over 8 feet long !!!



I am also now convinced that the rectangular part IS a cafeteria tray from the sixties...the same type still exist today. Here is a link to one on the net...

TRAY

And guess what...the tray measures 430 mm in length...(17 inches in the sixties) almost exactly the same length as I calculate the part on Cloudbase to be That's certainly close enough for me (!).

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Old 21-07-2010, 03:02 PM   #39
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Some more Cloudbase screen grabs...





Im trying to make out what the green part is within the observation tube ???












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Old 21-07-2010, 03:36 PM   #40
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some things Ive noticed...

the scalextric banking part used on the back of the spv is used on the angel pad... good way of getting scale.




and can see the pipe underneath.



some others





I assume youve got Derek Meddings 21st century book as theres some gems in there, pics of them working on it, with wires visible etc

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