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Old 26-12-2006, 10:29 PM   #1
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Default Old shows - Starlost / Quark

Does anyone remember The Starlost with Keir Dullea or, later, Quark with Richard Benjamin? I never saw The Starlost, but have occasionally tried to find tapes of it without luck. It was created by Harlan Ellison and died a quick and apparently very painful death. It was about a giant space ark that is damaged and so old that the inhabitants no longer remember they are on a spaceship (yes, a lot like "Mission of the Darians").

Quark has just gone completely missing and hardly anyone remembers it. It was about a space garbage scow.
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Old 26-12-2006, 10:35 PM   #2
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The Starlost---yes; Quark---no

If I ever found The Starlost on DVD I'd definitely get it for nostalgia's sake if nothing else. It started out strong and with a great premise, but quickly and unfortunately deteriorated. In a prior search I found this interesting reference site:

http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/star.html


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Old 27-12-2006, 01:05 AM   #3
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Quark - yes. Starlost - no.

Remembering Quark made me also recall Salvage 1...
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Old 27-12-2006, 01:41 AM   #4
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i cant say i have ever heard of starlost

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069638/

its not out on dvd, but amazon.com has a few vhs episodes of it
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Old 27-12-2006, 04:26 AM   #5
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Don't remember Starlost, but I'm like Gun Truck, Quark reminds me of Salvage 1 also. Here's a couple more for ya, how about Space Academy and Jason of Star Command? Those would be cool to see again!
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Old 27-12-2006, 04:42 AM   #6
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Quark was a comedy spoof, by the way. Although I laughed at it as I watched, I remember not being too upset that it didn't get renewed. A non sci-fi comedy around that time was a Robin Hood-ish spoof called When Things Were Rotten. I hadn't thought about that one until this topic mentioned Quark.
Salvage I was... well, drek, but I don't know if it was supposed to be serious or not.
I remember reading an old Starlog interview with Kier Dullea, and even he had little nice to say about The Starlost. I've never actually seen it, but it sounds like there's a good reason it's been forgotten.

By the way, darthwalls, both SA & JoSC are coming out on dvd (as complete series boxed sets) in early January 2007. I plan on getting them (as I'd mentioned in another thread) in spite of their cheesiness.
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Old 27-12-2006, 01:00 PM   #7
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I remember both. Quark was passingly entertaining comedy.

I loved "The Starlost". Especially the miniature work. The ark
itself was an amazing construction, even if, in my honest opinion,
it being somewhat based on the Valley Forge from "Silent Running".
I always thought this was the same Earth from that film. First the trees
had to go, then the human race. The site Cricket mentioned is
the most detailed site regarding the show. It also provides a great
history as to what became of the Ark model itself.

The sets, mostly done in miniature and then Chroma-Keyed were awesome,
even though most feel this was/is a cheesy effect. Years from now,
CGI will be looked at as cheesy too. It's all relative.

The series, Yes, started strong but then became week. But I still
looked forward to the next episode. I will buy this series the moment
it appears on DVD
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Old 27-12-2006, 06:10 PM   #8
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One good joke from Quark:

The first officer, who is a plant that looks more or less human, is putting the moves on a woman. She is agreeable and so he urges her to lie down on her back and wave her arms and legs in the air. She does this and there is a long pause.

"Now what?" she asks.

"Now we wait for the bee," says the first officer.

I remember When Things Were Rotten, too. Not much about the show, but I do remember jars or chili peppers labeled "Hot," "Hotter" and "OH, BOY!"

Those were the days.
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Old 27-12-2006, 06:51 PM   #9
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Years from now, CGI will be looked at as cheesy too. It's all relative.
What do you mean 'years from now', I've often thought that theres very little CGI that doesn't look fake or cheesy today!
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Old 27-12-2006, 07:26 PM   #10
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Hey, Cricket -- thanks for the link for Starlost. Lots of good stuff there. DVDs would be a sure sale for me.
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Hey, Cricket -- thanks for the link for Starlost. Lots of good stuff there. DVDs would be a sure sale for me.
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Old 27-12-2006, 08:15 PM   #12
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I just ordered the VHS set of Starlost. Couldn't help myself.
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Old 28-12-2006, 02:38 AM   #13
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Wow, they didn't even try to disguise kit bashed parts, did they? http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/props/Huge/12.JPG Parts of the "lunar lander" (probably the Lindberg version; most recently it was re-released by Glencoe) are stuck to the donut shaped ring. (Is that a life preserver?)There's an almost complete Pilgrim Observer, the only modifications seeming to be the placement of the Nerva nuclear engine inside the top shroud (the clear cone) and a couple of radar dishes stuck on the ends of the "arms". Oh, and the gold tower looks like a Dairy Queen Peanut Buster Parfait dish.

Still, this appears to be an "in progress" shot, so maybe it looked better after final painting.

I admit, the minature of the "hero" ship itself, with all its domes, looks pretty cool. I'd seen other pics of it on the web before, but it's nice to see some new stuff. Thanks from me, as well, cricket!
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Old 28-12-2006, 03:32 AM   #14
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Hey, check this out! While exploring the site, I came across some pics of a restoration job conducted by one Kevin Atkins for the Strassenburgh Planetarium, where parts of the Ark model were used as a display. Look at the small "shuttles" docked to the main craft!
http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/props/newark/Ark02.jpg
http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/props/newark/Ark03.jpg
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Heh, there are a few Eagles, errr shuttles docked there.
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Oh, and the gold tower looks like a Dairy Queen Peanut Buster Parfait dish.


And tiny Eagles! I never would have noticed them!
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Old 28-12-2006, 05:42 PM   #17
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The sign of a true Eagle Nut... I can spot an Eagle from any distance! (I wish we had a smiley with either a magnifying glass or a pair of binoculars to insert here.)
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Old 29-12-2006, 06:36 AM   #18
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never seen starlost on vhs- got it off of emule- unfortunately it wasn't as "cool" as I had remembered, kind of like ark 2..hehe
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Old 29-12-2006, 02:32 PM   #19
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I received notice this morning that Starlost had shipped. Probably won't see it until next week. I look forward to it, knowing that it won't be very good -- but at least my curiosity will be satisfied.

Thinking about finding a way to share it around once I've taken a look.
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Old 02-01-2007, 06:27 PM   #20
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I got my VHS box set of "The Starlost" and watched the first two episodes. There is only one word that effectively communicates the nature of this show: incompetent.

While the miniature of the space ark is okay (though sparsely detailed), the visual effects don't even rise to the level of "hokey." Almost every single shot of the miniature is hand-held, making it entirely unconvincing.

The show itself was shot on video. That's not a completely bad thing, except that it was directed as a 3-camera, switched-live shoot where the characters mostly stand in place and talk. Very, very amateurish. It's like watching bad community theatre shot on video by high school kids.

Bright spots: Barry Morse and John Colicos in the second episode.

Space: 1999 Series 2 looks fantastic next to this.

I'm going to force myself to watch the other episodes and then I'd be willing to share this set around if anyone else wants to suffer through it.

Mind you, I wasn't expecting much -- but I got even less.
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