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Old 26-07-2007, 07:14 PM   #21
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Don't appear to have any info on Dave Mitton. Was he at Space Models ? or did he do some work at Century 21 ?
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Old 26-07-2007, 09:43 PM   #22
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He was at Century 21. He was something to do with the creation of the Thomas The Tank Engine TV series too.
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Old 03-08-2007, 03:16 PM   #23
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Just been having a chat with Mike Trim about his work on UFO, and as far as he can remember the original Shadomobiles were built in the Century 21 Studios by Ray Brown and Charlie Bryant, with Mike and Dave Palmer applying the kit part detailing and carrying out the dirtying down. Other modelmakers he recalls include Alan Shubrook's cousin Russell and a guy called Derek (surname not known) who worked on the Markers Shadomobile transporters. With regard to Dave Mitton, Mike says he wasn't in the model shop, but on the studio floor at C21.
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Old 07-12-2007, 09:26 PM   #24
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Absolutely!
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Old 08-12-2007, 10:05 AM   #25
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While doing some research on Doctor Who I found a book called "The Doctor's Effects" by Steve Cambden. It is a very thorough history of all the FX technicians and contractors who worked on the series. The interviewees sometimes mention that they had done work on Thunderbirds or Space 1999 etc.

Dipping into the book at random now, I see that Tony Harding (who later designed K9) was hired by Derek Meddings to build sets for Captain Scarlet, The Secret Service, Joe 90, and UFO.

Rather more interesting is Ian Scoones' account of Century 21 disposing of all their old models. Apparently he got the full-size radiator grille from FAB1, which his BBC boss never liked having around the studio, fearing it had been sold by mistake. So they put it in Exchange & Mart and got £100 for it!

The BBC's considerable haul of models was mainly cars, planes, trees, fences, rocks and so on. Among the models "too recognisable to be reused" Ian cites the example of the Firefly from Thunderbirds; these models would be "bastardised by chopping bits off and sticking new bits on to create something new".

Ian also reveals that when he had previously worked on Thunderbirds the model filming crew nicknamed Derek Meddings "The Fuehrer", and that Brian Johnson's real name is Brian Johncock.

All in all a fascinating book, filled with the kind of thorough detail that fans crave but authors never seem to cater for. It's a 200+ page paperback (with a small typeface!), £10 cover price. Strongly weighted towards Doctor Who of course, but probably worth a look if you're interested in the British FX scene of that era.
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Brian's wife wanted him to change his surname. He is credited at the end of several TB's episodes as Brian Johncock.
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Old 08-12-2007, 11:53 AM   #27
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Brian's wife wanted him to change his surname. He is credited at the end of several TB's episodes as Brian Johncock.
Scoones does mention that Brian was still called Johncock on Thunderbirds. I can well understand Mrs J not being too keen on Brian's surname. Mind you, if I was going to go to the trouble of changing my name to remove a sexual connotation, I wouldn't leave my initials as BJ!
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:25 AM   #28
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was the fireflash built by space models or its predecessors?

its just got that look, that it looks a professional model if that makes sense

I think its such a nice looking model (one of my favourites) I would also love to know what it was made from, Fibreglass Im guessing


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Old 08-04-2008, 06:22 PM   #29
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Hi Mike. I'm guessing that fireflash was made of balsa wood like most of the one off (in size) craft at that time. People believed that Thunderbird 2 was made of fibreglass until Wag Evans revealed the truth some years ago. Fibreglass was used for the angel aircraft, UFO interceptors etc because it was more practical to make a mould and cast 3 off rather than carve several the same size.
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Old 09-04-2008, 02:05 PM   #30
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if you look at this cruel close up of the medium sized fireflash from trapped in the sky,

the right wing has a scratch on it, revealing whats underneath

is it wood, is if fibreglass? I think you could be right, that its a light wood.

also note that the rear of the wings dont quite match when they meet the fuselage, but I think thats being a bit cruel as the model will be around the same size as it appears on the computer screen, and it wasnt intended for such close scrutiny, the flaps (sorry I know very little about aeroplanes) seem to be quite neatly made, probably with brass wire inserted.



I think this shot shows how they did the window glazing, in that the rear tail is solid material , but has a thin curved piece for the windows inserted in the cut out.



I would love to know more about this model as I would love to build a replica of it one day

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The Mastermodels TB2 looks very good, indeed! I expect they asked for a good price too!
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Old 25-04-2008, 01:48 PM   #32
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The later series were mostly fibreglass during Peter Aston's reign. The early stuff was more usually wood. The most important consideration was not to let the models get too heavy because then everything could be flown on much thinner easier to hide wires.
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Old 16-06-2008, 06:42 PM   #33
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Letís not forget Jack Lovell Ė he had a workshop in Battersea and made the space suites for UFO. He also claimed to have made some of the Thunderbird models. He may not be alive but his sons presumably still run the business.

When I spoke to Jack some 15 years ago he claimed to still have some of the original moulds in the workshop roof spaceÖ
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do any of the original builders visit convention days or are they available to talk to in any way?

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Old 25-04-2012, 09:37 AM   #35
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I had the privilege of working for AGM Ltd. way back in '76 when they were in Hounslow. I remember working with a guy, Robbie Keen. He went on to be big in film effects. I believe he created 'pin head'. Can't remember the name of the film though
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Wow, any stories Steve?
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Pin Head was in 'Hellraiser'
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Sadly no stories The Gerry Anderson work was in the past by that stage. I understood that Master Models split and that AGM and Space Models came from that split.

One of the guys I remember, Kit Freeborn, his father father ran a model making company in Surrey. Later I worked there on Ridley Scott's Alien. I was to decline an invitation to work full time with this company!!......................................... .......One of my biggest regrets.
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Sadly no stories The Gerry Anderson work was in the past by that stage. I understood that Master Models split and that AGM and Space Models came from that split.

One of the guys I remember, Kit Freeborn, his father father ran a model making company in Surrey. Later I worked there on Ridley Scott's Alien. I was to decline an invitation to work full time with this company!!......................................... .......One of my biggest regrets.
What did you work on for Alien? I can never get enough of hearing about that production, it was so rich and groundbreaking in it's production values. What was it like?
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Old 30-04-2012, 01:30 PM   #40
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I worked at Freeborns in Horsley, Surrey. We were involved in the making of the 'space suits' My role was to detail up the helmets. There was a lot of filigree work on the surfaces. There was some interior details to the helmets such as lights, switches and video screen. The intention was to film through the upper window, past the actors face. This was never done. I fitted the 'glass' fronts to the helmet. We were aware that one of the glasses/windows was to be destroyed. We now know why!

I remember that on occasions, the film guys would come down to see how the suits were progressing. Model makers would don the suits and wonder about the courtyard.

Fun times!

I went on to specialise in architectural models, I have been poor ever since

What might have been? ................. I don't know
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