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Old 10-11-2007, 03:56 PM   #1
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A new series of Thunderbirds is going to be made by ITV, but at the moment Gerry is not involved in any capacity. Another producer had been chosen. Anyone feeling that Gerry should be brought aboard, at least in some capacity can join Fanderson's campaign by writing a polite letter to Michael Grade who is ITV's Executive Chairman. His address is;

Michael Grade
ITV
200 Gray's Inn Road
London WC1V 8HF
United Kingdom

Would anyone who would like to put pen to paper please encourage anyone else interested in writing.

FAB - Dunc.
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Old 10-11-2007, 07:56 PM   #2
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It's just wrong that the creator of Thunderbirds should not be involved with the show, JUST WRONG!

Don't get me started on Michael Grade!! It was thanks to him that Doctor Who was taken off air in 1989 when he was head of BBC (he suspended in 1985 for 18months or so if im correct) and appretly he put Doctor Who in room 101, and then when the new series came on TV he was like 'Oh yeah Doctor Who is great'! I'm not to keen on the man
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:17 AM   #3
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It's going to be like 'THAT' film all over again; it'll be 're-imagined' for the 21st Century kids and will lose that special 'something'

When the original series was first transmitted in the UK, my father had just started work in the London Ambulance Service. He came in from a call to find the entire ambulance station staff glued to the TV watching the climactic rescue of the Fireflash.

Somehow, I doubt the new show will have that effect
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:01 AM   #4
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It's a pity that so few people understand that Thunderbirds was a unique product of its time.

It's not just the format that we love - it's the puppets, models and voices. New Captain Scarlet failed to live up to the original, a new Thunderbirds will never be the original either.

Go and make something new.
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:14 AM   #5
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Yes, you have utterly hit the nail on the head.... never go back. Something new yes, but never go back.
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Old 11-11-2007, 03:40 PM   #6
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At public talks when Gerry often mentions doing Thunderbirds in CGI there is always a general audible groan from the audience. He just never understands that we like the slightly wonky models and puppets, it makes the shows interesting in the same way that Wallace & Gromit features work because there plastercine and models. Do it in CGI and it will just become pretty but boring.
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Old 11-11-2007, 09:39 PM   #7
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Totally agree. It's the 'reality' of the props and models that make it worth watching not just the design and 'prettyness' of the whole thing.

If it were up to me, it would be real people with models/CGI (if necessary) but using the same format as the original series - dramatic and interesting stories/situations.

They did this with Battlestar Gallatica - which is very good on the whole - would have been even better if they'd not messed around with it too much (i.e; having human like robots). But it is aimed at adults, which does help a lot.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:38 PM   #8
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What's the general opinion on the boards of the "re-imagined" Captain Scarlet ? I thought it was excellent and would certainly look forward to a series of Thunderbirds done in a similar fashion , but without Andersons input , this would seem unlikely . Why no Anderson? Did the Thunderbirds movie debacle not teach anyone anything ??
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:28 PM   #9
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CGI Captain Scarlet wasn't a patch on the original. The fascination of the original Scarlet was that they could present realistic and fantastic imagery that looked real. CGI scarlet never came close to looking anything other than CGI. Fans of computer games may love it but the novelty soon wore off with me.
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Old 12-11-2007, 01:14 AM   #10
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I've only ever seen the pictures of it as I don't think it came to AU ???? at a reasonable time for watching in any case. But even the pictures struck me as cgi and the changes in characters etc just wasn't Captain S. One of the biggest problems with the TB movie was that the people didn't look (uniform wise) like the puppets... there were no visual links. Even the craft could have been explained as upgrades with pictures of the originals woven in etc (it worked fine for ST... in fact one of the reasons why ST does work is the whole continuity thing... the stuff "fits" with the ST Universe) but ultimately not even the characters were the same so it wasn't "our Thunderbirds" it was a cheap silly imitation.
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Old 12-11-2007, 01:36 AM   #11
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I can usually tell within one minute of a film starting if it's going to be OK and it took less than a minute to know the TB film was going to suck. Within moments, Fermat and Alan are openly and loudly discussing being members of a highly secret organisation walking down the school corridor while all their school friends are bustling around them. Well, duh!

Utter garbage.

One thing the Anderson shows always did was treat the material seriously. The only difference between the Anderson series and contemporary film series was that the actors were made of wood and fibreglass instead of flesh. In all other aspects, notably sound, lighting, script, costume, set design, music, scripting, direction etc were all done using standard live action series filming techniques.
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Alan, of course, shouldn't even have been at school... everyone knows he flies TB3 and he's in his very late teens (not 21 yet sort of thing) You can't mess with the "our Thunderbirds" story or you've lost it before you start
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Old 12-11-2007, 10:42 AM   #13
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I've only ever seen the pictures of it as I don't think it came to AU ???? at a reasonable time for watching in any case.
Its currently being shown on ABC2 (the Digital ABC station) on Mondays at 6:35pm. As to whether that is a reasonable time is open to debate
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Old 12-11-2007, 11:32 AM   #14
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CGI Captain Scarlet wasn't a patch on the original. CGI scarlet never came close to looking anything other than CGI.
Imo it's the best thing Gerry has done since Space 1999 yr 1. The flying scenes were particularly convincing, and the stories and dialogue were at least a match for the original. The only minor disappointment was the unconvincing clothing. Sure, it's difficult to accept change, especially when you're getting on like me (!), but after a few episodes I was convinced. I still like the original but it does look a little static in comparison.

Puppets are a technique of the past and are unlikely to come back except in an ironic or comedic context, eg Team America. Gerry has always used the best tech available so he's unlikely to go back to a 40+ yr old technique. Imo no-one would give him the funding for such a venture; they'd probably laugh at the idea. I don't want puppets back anymore than I want Sylvester McCoy back as Dr Who! I reckon even if Gerry remade TB exactly as the original, someone would still moan about the colour of TB2!
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:16 PM   #15
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Imo it's the best thing Gerry has done since Space 1999 yr 1.
Given that which followed year one 1999, that wasn't too hard to achieve.

Most of the older series seem slow by todays standards because we've slowly been introduced to faster and faster cutting as kids attention spans decrease exponentially. Considering these series are fast approaching forty years old, they still stand the test of time. However I can't agree with New Scarlet looking better. Some of the imagery might look fantastic on a sci fi book cover but photorealistic it ain't.
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Old 12-11-2007, 12:58 PM   #16
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For me, now that I'm no longer a kid, it's not enough to just have a good story or script. What keeps me interested in the old series now that i'm older, is an appreciation of Meddings' designs, extremely clever hand crafted effects and puppets, and Gray's oscar standard scores.

Thats why I was never likely to watch the new scarlet past the first couple of episodes. Its just like all the other boring-created-in-an-office CGI productions.
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Old 12-11-2007, 01:45 PM   #17
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If it was to be done totally in the style of that animated short that was doing the rounds a couple of years ago it would be superb!In my opinion that was the best melding of old and new nostalgia and present,that i have seen.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:13 PM   #18
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I thought that the New Captain Scarlet had some really nice CGI sequences, but the facial renders of the characters needed work.

I think the problem that New Scarlet had was the timing. There are so many series/movies that employ CGI extensively out there now or in production that what was once unique is now common, and New Scarlet became another one in the crowd.

I'm delighted to hear that a new Thunderbirds series is in production, but it should be
live-action with physical models and SFX shots "tweaked" with CGI (taking out studio light hot-spots, enhancing exhaust effects, etc.), to keep continiuity with its 1965 predecessor. If you have the DVD of the 2004 debacle, there is a "behind the scenes" feature that has a shot of the original TB-2 leaving its hangar and it beats the CGI versions hands down. I don't think that a CGI Thunderbirds series will be successful.

If the material is taken seriously and done properly, a new live action Thunderbirds series would work. I do understand the point of view that the original series was a achievement of its own time and should be left alone and appreciated for what it is.
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Gerry has always used the best tech available so he's unlikely to go back to a 40+ yr old technique.
The problem is that the CGI wasn't the best technique available, making a tv series in a computer is plainly wrong from the outset and it doesn't matter how much effort or skill or money goes into it the finished program is just a cartoon!
If you want human characters, don't waste time on motion-capture, animation, lip-sync, clothing and hair programs etc etc just hire an actor. Even Space Precinct put actors into models and used model sets very well and with computers it can be done very well for television.
While I liked New Captain Scarlet I saw it only as a pre-vis animatic for a series he had not bothered filming. And my biggest problem is that almost all Gerrys shows revolve around something exploding, especially at the end. In the old days you didn't mind slightly wonky models and puppets because you got a very satisfying explosion for the climax of the episode, with NCS the explosions were exactly the same as everything else on screen - animated and fake!
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Old 12-11-2007, 10:11 PM   #20
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because you got a very satisfying explosion for the climax of the episode, with NCS the explosions were exactly the same as everything else on screen - animated and fake!
A Gerry Anderson series without decent explosions just isn't right. While I agree that there were some very good short sequences (Angels flying with the large Condor aircraft in one episode for instance I thought was quite good), most of the footage looked like a computer game - and the explosions I thought particularly badly done. My preference is always for real models and in NCS the designs of the vehicles was not a patch on the originals (and I hated the new names as well).

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