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Old 07-04-2008, 09:55 PM   #1
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Hi

I think Ive just found heaven

Ive come across this site after my regular google searches for all things Derek Meddings, it looks an excellent forum, and one which I can talk about the models of the anderson series.

Brief introduction,

my names Mike, Im 24 from Liverpool.

since Thunderbirds was shown again on bbc2 in the early 90s, ive had a fascination with all the Anderson shows, and have always had a fascination with the models and model making.

I would always watch the shows, looking out for toys that where used and objects which would give the scale away, and try to work out how things where done, especially trying to think of techniques that where used at the time as certain things that wernt available back then, are available now, Im not particulary a sci fi enthusiast, but I like any films etc that use models rather than cgi.

Im a model railway and model making enthusiast, and have made several model railway layouts, where I try to use techniques that meddings would use, things like High realistic backscenes,perspective modelling, weathering and good lighting for photography, things a lot of people who are into model railways dont do!
I regularly post on a model railway forum where I shout about Meddings and what people can do to make there layouts more realistic but a lot dont seem to want to know, although they do when they see the results.


anyway, back to Thunderbirds, about 10 years ago, I was at a Toy fair, where I saw this large plastic japanese toy amphi car,it has large bulbs in the front, a motor which powers the rear wheels and propellor, powered by 2 large AAA batteries, but i immediatley saw past it for what it was...









it was used in Thunderbirds as a basis for the Fire engines in the episode City of fire and other episodes, Ive since aquired another so I could model both, both are slightly tatty, one is missing a wheel, but I plan to build them into exact studio replicas, but I am still reserching into what some of the parts where used, in particular the trailers, wondering if anyone recognises what they could be?


I look forward to participating on this excellent forum, theres lots of Thunderbirds studio replicas I would like to make in the future, Ill be asking lots of questions

cheers

Mike

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Old 07-04-2008, 10:56 PM   #2
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Welcome, Mike! Wonderful pictures. You'll fit in here quite nicely.
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:11 PM   #3
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thanks Cricket, Im excited lots of stuff I want to ask

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Old 07-04-2008, 11:27 PM   #4
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Nice find on the amphi car Mike, good luck with the project.

I love this place, great information, and even better, great people on the forum.
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Old 07-04-2008, 11:31 PM   #5
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cheers gojira61

Im very fussy when it comes to model making, I even want to put a jetex in them to get the exhaust smoke effect I will constuct a large dioramma to photograph them on.although Im not sure where to get jetex units at the moment.

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Welcome, Mike! Wonderful pictures. You'll fit in here quite nicely.

Seconded !

We may not have all the answers - but we're working on it !
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Old 08-04-2008, 10:15 AM   #7
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We do have lots of fun guessing though. Welcome. I love all the stuff you're bringing to the mix here, keep at it
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Old 08-04-2008, 10:52 AM   #8
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thanks for the warm welcome guys


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Old 09-04-2008, 12:30 AM   #9
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can anyone recognise any kit parts or inaminate objects on the fire tenders in these pics, the 2 that are tractor-trailer unit pulled by the toy amphicar mainly.

Ive got a feeling, that the red boxes with the hoses on, theres 3 on one trailer, one on the other with the ladder, are some sort of square plastic container, you can see a lid line and some sort of patern on them, probably to help you open the container, reason I think they are plastic, is that the one on the ladder appears to have melted under the heat of the flames








I can make out a small cut airfix girder bridge part on the rear of the trailer with the ladder,it has 2 holes in it.

dont know what the other things are, and the ladder itself has been bugging me for years, does anyone recognise it and the trailers for that matter from any 60s toys?

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Old 09-04-2008, 11:31 PM   #10
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another screengrab of the fire tender in the hope that someone recognises the ladder and some bits its gotta be from some toy fire engine, cant imagine they would have made the ladders



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Old 10-04-2008, 08:33 AM   #11
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I see the usual girder bridge pieces, as well as a Bloodhound missile launcher at the top of the appliance with the grey tower.

Could this be the Airfix one...looks a bit big for that though.
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Old 10-04-2008, 12:47 PM   #12
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I never knew of the bloodhound missile launcer so thats another new one to me, had a quick search of google and although I cant find any pics of it without a missile on, it certainly looks like it, something else for the shopping list even though Im not building that particular model, I will get the bits in the hope that a tatty transcontinental express toy bus that Mack on this forum has got turns up one day


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Old 10-04-2008, 12:59 PM   #13
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Possibly the launcher from this Corgi Bloodhound set?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CORGI-CARS-GIF...QQcmdZViewItem

http://chezbois.com/corgi/1959/Model_1116.htm

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Old 10-04-2008, 01:03 PM   #14
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yeah I definatley agree with that Tony, I was looking at the Airfix one, and it doesnt have the metal riveted pieces on it which the corgi one does, defintaley the corgi one




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Old 10-04-2008, 02:38 PM   #15
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was thinking, whilst Im researching the red engines, I do plan to make a studio replica of the big yellow one in the future, it looks great I think as the Fire engine in city of fire, so thought I would pick all your expert brains once more




luckily theres some good close ups of it as the MSP in Day of disaster


what I would like to know,

wheels, look like some kind of model aeroplane?



details, lights and extras, Im guessing the 2 rockets on the side are the rare atlas kit? I dont know what the other 2 halfs of rocket cones on the front are from,




the grill on the front looks to be ordinary 5 strand electric wire stripped out to form a grill/badge,



and things like the mesh inside the rocket cone halfs.




it also appears to have some sort of wire and panel pin arrangement underneath,the wire that pulls the model along seems to be attatched to it, I think this could be the 4 wheel steering arrangement? and the yellow body looks a bit rough, could give what its made of away?


any other things, like ladder which looks to be the same as the red one, looks like the silver tank on the back could be a Vollmer refienery tank, and Im also struggling to find those big red glass bulbs for the roof.




construction, Im guessing solid wood with this,rather than some converted toy, for the simple reason that it floats in the day of disaster episode,



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Those box like shapes on the ends of the Fire truck ladders, look like old pencil sharpeners. And the rocket cones on the front of the MSP, are the front nose off the B58 jet and also turn up on the sides of the Mole.

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Old 11-04-2008, 12:10 PM   #17
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now that youve said pencil sharpeners Ive been searching google for them

definatley could be, put the pencil in the end where the nossle is, and the other end where you can see a lid line is to empty the sharpenings?

thats give me a good lead thanks and Ill definatley be looking into that more,

thing is I dont mind scratchbuilding anything that was scratchbuilt in the series, but if theyve used something Id like to use the same thing

thanks for the B58 tip, take it thats the Aurora one


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Old 11-04-2008, 02:16 PM   #18
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a little bit more studying, it appears that as the yellow engine moves away from the fire (this is filmed from 2 angles) that as it has been facing the fire, the cab seems to have melted and curled up, which suggests that it is made from plastic, note the cab is different when it was the MSP.






Im sure everyone has noticed the rear of this engine has caught fire as it moves off also

Im also trying to pin point what the water jets on the rear are from on this, look to be some household object?

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Im also trying to pin point what the water jets on the rear are from on this, look to be some household object?

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A connector for a garden hose ?
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:51 PM   #20
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Yes!

could very well be, Ill go wih that.

the fact that it has to spray water could prove this also

although I did read somewhere that they used chalk for the water spray effect.

but anyway I think youre right

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