Operation Exodus

Hawk · 08-07-2008, 03:34 PM

Does anyone know the name of the FIRST episode in which Operation Exodus was actually attempted?

**SPACE 1899** · 08-07-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk

Does anyone know the name of the FIRST episode in which Operation Exodus was actually attempted?

I think it was the first episode of season 2, in terms of 'Operation Exodus' for many viewers !!!
(just joking, Freddie...)

cricket · 08-07-2008, 04:16 PM

Hmm... a loaded question. If you go by the order discussed in The Catacombs and you mean actually left Alpha, I might suggest either Another Time Another Place or Guardian of Piri. Both choices have their issues... ATAP's Exodus happens, of course, in an alternate reality and in GoP under the influence of the Guardian. Then there's War Games where it didn't really happen at all, and Testament or Arkadia where they started planning but didn't actually leave. Good grief! We're at Year Two, already!

I guess for better or worse I'll stick with ATAP. Any other votes?

tx4 · 08-07-2008, 05:33 PM

This probably doesn't help answer the question as much as add more fodder for discussion, so feel free to ignore this post; but I have three entries on Operation Exodus (or other names) at the link which follows. These entries are not complete yet, but if they help....

http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/...kb2h.htm#opexo

Note that it was not always called "Operation Exodus" per se (see a.k.a. block in first entry), in either season; so if you need it to be that exact name, you may need to check transcripts.

Hawk · 08-07-2008, 07:35 PM

Doesn't need that name...just the first attempt to leave Alpha en masse.

eurosector · 08-07-2008, 07:46 PM

If memory serves me well.....weren't the first attempts contemplated in the Matter of Life and Death episode? After all, Koenig does radio back to Alpha at the end to tell Bergman and everyone else to stay put.

CR · 08-07-2008, 08:10 PM

Have to agree with eurosector there... Doesn't Koenig even say "Cancel Operation Exodus" near the end?

**Bishop** · 08-07-2008, 09:34 PM

Its first mentioned and considered (briefly) at the end of Breakaway, Computer's reply being... Human decision required.

It actually happens for the first time in GofP but as cricket says under the influence of the guardian. Apart from that it only ever happens in ATAP. Though one of the eps has everyone in orbit on the opposite side of the moon to something or other that's about to happen. I remember the scene with the eagle fleet waiting, but I can't remember the ep and I have to go to work so I'll hunt for it later.

cricket · 08-07-2008, 09:48 PM

I think that may be The AB Chrysalis, Tony.

CR · 08-07-2008, 11:07 PM

OK, first considered at the end of Breakaway, but where they were first taking steps to implement it was in MoLaD. The alternate Alpha in ATAP obviously had a successful Operation Exodus carried out, while in that same ep, 'our' Alpha considered it when the moon slipped back into Earth orbit, but it was never carried out. GoP had it implemented and carried out, but under the influence of the Guardian, it was not as complete as it should have been; most equipment was left behind.

So, I'm sticking with MoLaD as the first actual implementation of OE (phase 1 orbital survey, phase 2 planetary landing), even though it was later cancelled (before phase 3 packing up the base).

tx4 · 09-07-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony42

.... Though one of the eps has everyone in orbit on the opposite side of the moon to something or other that's about to happen. I remember the scene with the eagle fleet waiting, but I can't remember the ep and I have to go to work so I'll hunt for it later.

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Originally Posted by cricket

I think that may be The AB Chrysalis, Tony.

Yep, that is likely the one Tony is thinking of. Most personnel evacuated to Eagles hiding in space behind the bulk of the Moon from the explosions originating from a then-unknown source, with a skeleton crew (inc. John, Helena, Maya, Bill, Yasko, Kate(?), ????) remaining on Alpha through that opening sequence of the episode.

Also note, however, that in "The Seance Spectre," the full complement is evacuated, to Eagles standing a bit further away from the Moon (IIRC), in anticipation of forcing a lunar course change which they know could destroy Alpha. Besides personnel, this includes that most of the moveable fixtures (well, as far as we see) are removed to Eagles, leaving a single desk in CC. Only John Koenig, Maya, and Greg Sanderson are left near the end, until all three end up elsewhere on the surface, the last dies, and John and Maya escape. I wonder, is this the only complete evacuation which was not part of an alternate reality or a "reset" (e.g. WG) sequence?

Anyway, on looking at a few more details and the replies here, I have to agree MOLAD represents the first real attempt (started, even if not completed) at OE/evacuation, at least in the widely-accepted episode order.

**Bishop** · 09-07-2008, 09:16 AM

Yep, think I'd agree.

**deraenged** · 09-07-2008, 09:30 AM

Surely the first Exodus was when the moon itself left the earth!!!!!

Phil Rae

**SPACE 1899** · 09-07-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk

Does anyone know the name of the FIRST episode in which Operation Exodus was actually attempted?

Maybe it was the first episode where Tony tried to get volunteers to taste his beer ?? !! ...

Hawk · 09-07-2008, 03:19 PM

It seems like they were always Exodus-ing until you really look at the numbers, doesn't it?

AlphaISIS73 · 09-07-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CR

OK, first considered at the end of Breakaway, but where they were first taking steps to implement it was in MoLaD. The alternate Alpha in ATAP obviously had a successful Operation Exodus carried out, while in that same ep, 'our' Alpha considered it when the moon slipped back into Earth orbit, but it was never carried out. GoP had it implemented and carried out, but under the influence of the Guardian, it was not as complete as it should have been; most equipment was left behind.

So, I'm sticking with MoLaD as the first actual implementation of OE (phase 1 orbital survey, phase 2 planetary landing), even though it was later cancelled (before phase 3 packing up the base).

That's what I say.

**Bishop** · 10-07-2008, 08:57 AM

Thinking about the whole prospect, you'd really want to be sure wouldn't you. The dialogue between Koenig and Victor II suggests that it would be a major sacrifice with no guarantees of anything let alone survival.

Hawk · 10-07-2008, 11:23 PM

I agree that "Matter of Life and Death" is the first attempt. Wow...right there in episode #2. Didn't take 'em long, did it?

Senmut · 12-07-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by deraenged

Surely the first Exodus was when the moon itself left the earth!!!!!

Phil Rae

Smartypants!!!!!

08-07-2008, 03:34 PM	#1
Hawk Communications Officer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana, United States Posts: 785	Operation Exodus Does anyone know the name of the FIRST episode in which Operation Exodus was actually attempted?

08-07-2008, 08:10 PM	#7
CR Science Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: wandering the universe Posts: 5,471	Have to agree with eurosector there... Doesn't Koenig even say "Cancel Operation Exodus" near the end? __________________ I really need to get a new sig...

08-07-2008, 09:34 PM	#8
Bishop Chief Science Officer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Australia Posts: 11,796	Its first mentioned and considered (briefly) at the end of Breakaway, Computer's reply being... Human decision required. It actually happens for the first time in GofP but as cricket says under the influence of the guardian. Apart from that it only ever happens in ATAP. Though one of the eps has everyone in orbit on the opposite side of the moon to something or other that's about to happen. I remember the scene with the eagle fleet waiting, but I can't remember the ep and I have to go to work so I'll hunt for it later. __________________ "I saw Avatar last weekend, it was so awesome, I wish the whole world was in 3D"

08-07-2008, 11:07 PM	#10
CR Science Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: wandering the universe Posts: 5,471	OK, first considered at the end of Breakaway, but where they were first taking steps to implement it was in MoLaD. The alternate Alpha in ATAP obviously had a successful Operation Exodus carried out, while in that same ep, 'our' Alpha considered it when the moon slipped back into Earth orbit, but it was never carried out. GoP had it implemented and carried out, but under the influence of the Guardian, it was not as complete as it should have been; most equipment was left behind. So, I'm sticking with MoLaD as the first actual implementation of OE (phase 1 orbital survey, phase 2 planetary landing), even though it was later cancelled (before phase 3 packing up the base). __________________ I really need to get a new sig...

09-07-2008, 09:16 AM	#12
Bishop Chief Science Officer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Australia Posts: 11,796	Yep, think I'd agree. __________________ "I saw Avatar last weekend, it was so awesome, I wish the whole world was in 3D"

08-07-2008, 04:16 PM	#3
cricket Medical Officer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 4,560	Hmm... a loaded question. If you go by the order discussed in The Catacombs and you mean actually left Alpha, I might suggest either Another Time Another Place or Guardian of Piri. Both choices have their issues... ATAP's Exodus happens, of course, in an alternate reality and in GoP under the influence of the Guardian. Then there's War Games where it didn't really happen at all, and Testament or Arkadia where they started planning but didn't actually leave. Good grief! We're at Year Two, already! I guess for better or worse I'll stick with ATAP. Any other votes?

08-07-2008, 05:33 PM	#4
tx4 Medical Technician Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Midwest, U.S.A. Posts: 176	This probably doesn't help answer the question as much as add more fodder for discussion, so feel free to ignore this post; but I have three entries on Operation Exodus (or other names) at the link which follows. These entries are not complete yet, but if they help.... http://www.space1999.net/~metaforms/...kb2h.htm#opexo Note that it was not always called "Operation Exodus" per se (see a.k.a. block in first entry), in either season; so if you need it to be that exact name, you may need to check transcripts.

08-07-2008, 07:35 PM	#5
Hawk Communications Officer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana, United States Posts: 785	Doesn't need that name...just the first attempt to leave Alpha en masse.

08-07-2008, 07:46 PM	#6
eurosector Astrophysics Technician Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: mirrored-Earth Posts: 255	If memory serves me well.....weren't the first attempts contemplated in the Matter of Life and Death episode? After all, Koenig does radio back to Alpha at the end to tell Bergman and everyone else to stay put.

08-07-2008, 09:48 PM	#9
cricket Medical Officer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest, USA Posts: 4,560	I think that may be The AB Chrysalis, Tony.

09-07-2008, 09:30 AM	#13
deraenged Chief Eagle Pilot Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,398	Surely the first Exodus was when the moon itself left the earth!!!!! Phil Rae

09-07-2008, 03:19 PM	#15
Hawk Communications Officer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana, United States Posts: 785	It seems like they were always Exodus-ing until you really look at the numbers, doesn't it?

10-07-2008, 08:57 AM	#17
Bishop Chief Science Officer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Australia Posts: 11,796	Thinking about the whole prospect, you'd really want to be sure wouldn't you. The dialogue between Koenig and Victor II suggests that it would be a major sacrifice with no guarantees of anything let alone survival. __________________ "I saw Avatar last weekend, it was so awesome, I wish the whole world was in 3D"

10-07-2008, 11:23 PM	#18
Hawk Communications Officer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana, United States Posts: 785	I agree that "Matter of Life and Death" is the first attempt. Wow...right there in episode #2. Didn't take 'em long, did it?

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