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Old 29-09-2008, 02:29 PM   #1
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I think this is something so strange, it looks like its come straight out of Thunderbirds, bet Gerry Anderson and Derek Meddings would have loved it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekranoplan





I never knew anything about it until I saw this documentary last night

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dtl3f

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Old 29-09-2008, 02:46 PM   #2
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Here’s a video showing the Ekranoplan (and other similar prototypes) in action…very cool machine and yes, very andersonesque!

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Old 29-09-2008, 05:41 PM   #3
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And here you can see how to make your own.

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Old 29-09-2008, 06:00 PM   #4
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Channel 4 did a very good documentary about them several years ago which I've kept on tape. They operated mostly over water but can hedge hop over strips of low lying land providing they can keep the speed up and thus the ground effect. One of the national newspapers did an article on them to coincide with the documentary showing a photograph and I remember then thinking they definitely have that Meddings look to them with engines everywhere.
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Old 29-09-2008, 06:13 PM   #5
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like a bit of a cross between fireflash and fireball xl5
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Old 29-09-2008, 06:16 PM   #6
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.. and touches of the RTL2
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Old 29-09-2008, 06:27 PM   #7
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yeah, I could see that being in an episode of Joe 90 too

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Old 29-09-2008, 06:37 PM   #8
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Don't forget you can get a Revell kit of the Ekranoplan.

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Old 01-10-2008, 01:21 AM   #9
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Is it a decent kit? Revells models can be....variable.
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Old 01-10-2008, 06:05 AM   #10
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Their model is of the propeller driven Orlyonok (look it up on Google) which is a slightly different design...
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This concept Be-2500 is a jaw dropper!

http://www.sergib.agava.ru/russia/be...0/be2500_e.htm

Imagine seeing that if it ever got built
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Old 01-10-2008, 08:23 AM   #12
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Strewth! That's a beast.
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Old 01-10-2008, 09:50 AM   #13
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Now we know what Derek did in his spare time, design Russian planes. Aren't they great.
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Yes indeed... beasts and great designs!

Another one, not exactly Fireflash but they did build and fly a nuclear powered aircraft.

The Tu-119 or Tu-95LAL

http://www.aviation-history.com/arti...ke-bombers.htm

Apparently crew radiation shielding was secondary to testing the nuclear propulsion system... eek... sounds strangely familiar though somehow....?

The proposed Tu-132 and the M-60 nuclear powered version of the M-50 Bounder bomber look very 'Gerry and Derek'.

Plus the conventionally powered M-50 actually flew.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/m-50.htm

If anyone is interested the Discovery Channel 'Planes that never flew' programme featuring atomic powered aircraft is on youtube in 5 parts.
Ironically it includes the Tu-119 that did fly!
To see them all search on youtube for
The Atomic Bomber p.1(5)
The Atomic Bomber p.2(5) etc...

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Old 01-10-2008, 01:44 PM   #15
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I thought the programme said it was faked? They flew but using conventional engines. It was done because the US were talking about doing it but saw the inherent flaw in putting nuclear material into things that spread themselves over a wide area when they crash.
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It says that it (Tu-119) flew using nuclear power.
Other pages on the internet show the inner two engines using the 'dirty' cycle nuclear powerplant to turn the props.
The outer two were the ordinary turboprops.

There was a scare in the U.S. started by a 'Popular Mechanics' (?) article that the M-50 Bounder was nuclear powered but that definitely wasn't true.

The U.S. (wisely) backed off using airborne nuclear power plants after experimenting with the NB-36 bomber carrying a reactor.
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I thought the programme said it was faked? They flew but using conventional engines. It was done because the US were talking about doing it but saw the inherent flaw in putting nuclear material into things that spread themselves over a wide area when they crash.
DX - Checking a few more web pages you may well be right...

Though I'm sure in the documentary they say it flew under nuclear power.

Looks like the story has been revised a bit!

Seems pretty definitive.
The Tu-95LAL flew around with a live reactor in it to test shielding but never had it powering any props.
The nuclear 'turboprops' and the Tu-119 they were designed for were never built.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:11 PM   #18
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I understood it was one of those US/Russia propaganda bluff things where neither side knew if the other was telling the truth but didn't want to admit they didn't have similar technology and had to put on a show just in case. I vaguely remember the russian nuclear engine idea being debunked but I could be wrong though. It's certainly a good documentary series going into the stories and developments of planes that might have been.

The radiation hazard is still the reason there's continuing conflict about the inherent dangers of launching radio active materials in satellites on rockets because they have such a high (relatively) fail rate. The technology is great if it can't go wrong... go wrong... go wrong............

Cue Dr Malcolm and a lecture on chaos theory.
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This one looks rather impressive

http://www.aether.demon.co.uk/coolki...ishipping.jpeg
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Try this site for some great pics:
http://www.se-technology.com/wig/index.php
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