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Old 16-06-2009, 11:11 AM   #1
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Sad news indeed - just read the following post

Primeval was shown on ITV1 on Saturday teatimes
Science fiction drama series Primeval has been axed after "three very successful series", ITV has confirmed.

Starring Ben Miller, Douglas Henshall, and ex-S Club 7 star Hannah Spearritt, the show followed a group of scientists studying prehistoric creatures.

"High quality drama remains a key part of the ITV schedule, although our current focus is on post-watershed production," ITV said in a statement.

The show had an average audiences of about five million this year.

The figure was down from around six million for the first two series.

Earlier this year, ITV announced 600 job cuts and says it is now aiming to cut a further 40m in 2010.

Primeval may have suffered because of the big-budget computer effects needed to generate its fantastical creatures.

Website Total Sci-Fi said it had been told by a source that Primeval's production team were "devastated" but that they had "every intention of keeping Primeval alive in other ways".

I really enjoyed having my dinner Saturday nights, watching loads of dinosaurs on the rampage (and watching Hannah) - oh well - it will probably get replaced by yet more cheap 'reality' TV.
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Old 16-06-2009, 12:36 PM   #2
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Pity, but not a surprise considering the current cost cutting going on at ITV.
Although there was an awful lot of tosh on screen (duff acting / scripting, Dino of the week, etc....) underneath there was a potentially good series struggling to get out.
There were glimmers of that this season with the Knight & Dragon episode as well as the glimpses of the future London.
It was a brave move writing out several characters to try & refresh the idea but personally speaking, eye candy aside I wish they had gotten rid of Hannah Spearett as the way her character acts is really annoying, paticularly in the episode where her brother goes through an anomaly, i'd have let her go alone & get killed by the future predators.
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Old 16-06-2009, 12:58 PM   #3
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Oh well, at least we have more X factor, and Ant N Dec to look forward to..........SH**
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Old 16-06-2009, 01:08 PM   #4
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Another watchable show bites the dust.

I quite enjoyed it, certainly better than the usual 'reality TV' fodder we are all bombarded with but I think it missed Cutter.

I thought the earlier shows were better and that it had been running out of steam (and ideas) for a while but sorry to see it go.
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Old 16-06-2009, 02:08 PM   #5
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Oh well, at least we have more X factor, and Ant N Dec to look forward to..........SH**
and don't forget 'All Star Mr & Mrs' on ITV1 - apparantly Brian Blessed was on it the other week !
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... but I think it missed Cutter.
Agree.
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Old 16-06-2009, 08:15 PM   #7
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We're just getting series 3 here in the states. I've been hooked since series 1 so this really is awful.
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Old 16-06-2009, 08:26 PM   #8
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I really did think that the advertising was great for the Show too - there were bill-board posters appearing recently for Primeval, showing a huge dinosaur head with the caption -"Actual size (unfortunately)"

Yes, Saturday teatime will not be the same without my weekly DUMBED DOWN DINOSAUR DOSE.
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Old 16-06-2009, 10:06 PM   #9
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO That was the one thing i actually liked watching on a saturday night. Along with that van Helsing show it was the only thing to save one from a doomed existance watching boring ice skating and dancing
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Old 17-06-2009, 07:11 AM   #10
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Im afraid getting rid of main characters isn't the best way to go sorting out shows... Lost me when we lost them, but my wife will be broken for days now when I tell her.
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Old 17-06-2009, 08:45 AM   #11
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Disappointing. Although I stopped watching it after season 1, it was still comforting to know it was on. Preferred this to "Toshwood"*, but the cancelling of this show makes it harder for any further SF shows to be greenlit, after all "X-Factor", "I'm a celery*, get me out of here", and all the other 'reality' shows don't require SFX budgets and so are 'cheap' entertainment.

Unfortunately they are very much the fashion at the moment - although I believe the fanbase for "Big Brother" is falling slightly, which should be a good sign. The unfortunate fact is that with so many channels available, there will be less people viewing each one, but it seems to me that the viewing figures required to sustain a show have not changed dramatically in the last decade or more, maybe the production companies and the broadcasters should get together and reduce the number of channels to increase the number of viewers per channel, or make the channels more individual so they can see more clearly what type of programmes are being watched rather than just saying 'such and such a channel is broadcasting "Stale old reality show #337" in a certain time slot, so to gauge how successful we are, we have to put an almost identical show in the same slot and see if it does better or worse than theirs'. Wouldn't it be nice if they were to say 'such and such a channel is broadcasting "Stale old reality show #337" in a certain time slot, so to gauge how successful we are, we have to put something different in the same slot and see if it does better or worse than that'.

* show titles deliberately spelled wrong to convey my feelings for the shows in question.
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Old 17-06-2009, 09:09 AM   #12
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Imagine, if the Primeval dinosaurs had been real, they could have put them all in a park (Jurassic Park style) and used it as the location for 'I'm a celebrity - get me out of here'.

Now that would have made great Saturday teatime entertainment
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I thought it was reasonably good entertainment, though the younger characters were beginning to grate on me in the latter series. I actually found myself rooting for a tree sized tyrannosaurus to come along and pluck them off the branches in the last episode. Liked the series originally purely because of "Walking with Dinosaurs " production team working on it,and then it grew on me.
I must admit when most of the original cast went I was disappointed because I liked them and I think it hurt the show to see them go. But it had started to get very daft during this last run, with characters making decisions that where so obviously bad to allow a "situation" to happen in the story that I found myself shouting at the TV in exasperation (not good).The "special forces" members of the team were spectacularly and especially bad at any form of military action and tactics, rather like the red shirts in Star Trek and got killed far too often.
And the storylines were getting wildly stupid,with the time travelling element screwing it all up again . I thought they might get one more series but that would be it. Surprised they killed it now though.
If its gone to the States and there might be a film then things could be better done.
I just hope the Doc Who crew take note and do not put a similar youth slant to the new series. They may loose a sizable segment of the fan base if they do.
I have to say TV Sci-fi is looking very weak at the moment.Most interesting series are now dead and gone and the standard remaining out there is regrettably grim. Soaps, cooking ,and "reality" progs satutrate the air waves. I hope that Lucas can rescue us with his SW series.He hasn't written any of it and has given it to an experienced team to over view and ILM is producing the effects at cost.

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Old 17-06-2009, 03:29 PM   #14
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Imagine, if the Primeval dinosaurs had been real, they could have put them all in a park (Jurassic Park style) and used it as the location for 'I'm a celebrity - get me out of here'.

Now that would have made great Saturday teatime entertainment
I saw a programme "Beat the Celebrity" being advertised the other night.
I tuned in, but it wasn't what I had eagerly anticipated.

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Old 18-06-2009, 12:36 PM   #15
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I have to say TV Sci-fi is looking very weak at the moment.Most interesting series are now dead and gone and the standard remaining out there is regrettably grim. Soaps, cooking ,and "reality" progs satutrate the air waves. I hope that Lucas can rescue us with his SW series.He hasn't written any of it and has given it to an experienced team to over view and ILM is producing the effects at cost.
I am probably going to be flayed alive for saying this but I am sick of Mr Lucas flogging the Star Wars horse, cant the man do something original for a change ?
I'm personally looking forward to the new BBC 2 series "Defying gravity", if its as good as the mini docudrama it should be very watchable. It has recently been discussed in one of the other threads here,http://www.eagletransporter.com/foru...voyage+planets
I'm now retiring to my shelter to await the incoming from aggrieved Jedi Knights.
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Old 18-06-2009, 08:15 PM   #16
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Totally agree Sage.

I enjoyed the first 3 films (SW, ESB and ROTJ), but even then the magic was beginning to rub off.
The later earlier episodes (keep up at the back) just weren't the same at all.
Now its cartoons and even talk of a TV series.

Please stop George.

Last year's Indiana Jones was another example of him visiting the well too often.

Technologically his output probably can't be beaten, but considering the heart of the stories or the acting, or even the music, it's all become rather overproduced and stale.

Getting back to Primeval being axed, my wife and I used to enjoy this series (actually we only discovered it during series 3) for all the wrong reasons, such as:
  • Dire acting
  • Daft stories
  • Improbable situations

Maybe if we'd seen more we could have appreciated the time travelling threads, but from what we saw it made little sense.

Why can't we have a show of the calibre of 'Fringe' on terrestrial TV? Cost, I suppose.

Phil.
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Old 19-06-2009, 05:37 AM   #17
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No, you have a reasonable point about the SW series and flogging a dead horse with a very old whip as I have just read this morning that Indy V is a go!!!.
The SW series peaked at Empire for me, and after that cute merchandising seemed to unduly influence what went into the films. ROTJ was very good, but I was disappointed with the Ewoks and a second Death Star with another obvious vulnerability. A rebel attack on the Imperial Shipyards would have been better.
The problem is that as they grew more successfull GL hired less people to help him at key positions, particularly with the writing. SW almost completely fell apart in production and was really a last minute rescue, particularly at edit. IT WAS SUCH A NIGHTMARE for him that he didn't want to direct Empire (or ROTJ), which is why I think it is such a stand out film and perhaps one of my all time perfect films, along with Blade runner, Alien, Aliens and the first Indiana Jones.
Thing is the first two SW's were very much more collabrative works incomprison to the latter ones. Don't get me wrong GL has done brilliantly, and without him and his influence the film industry would be an unbelievably different and poorer place but he is an gifted "engineer" rather than a natural story teller which is why the prequels felt so much weaker.
Which is why I am hoping (against hope mind you, but the same was widely said about the new Star Trek and look how that turned out!!) that because he has hired a large team of new writers and has reputedly decided to go back to the roots of SW and make it feel like a "western" with Bounty hunters etc that it may turn out to be very watchable. We know how the story ends with the saga, so all new main characters, with the occasional appearance of an old favorite would be good. Plus ILM effects!!!
Without any reasonable TV sci fi / fantasy at the moment I am very bored. Since BSG went I am reduced to watching old Star Trek episodes, most of which I have missed anyway. But there is very liitle out there that is looking watchable at all. I hardly watch TV at all these days ,apart from the continued superb natural world series the BBC produce though hooray Top Gear is back this Sunday!!
For the record I felt the Jedi in the prequels were a bit dull and deserved to get their asses kicked ! Darth Maul going out in the first round was a traversty of justice!!

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Oh no. Indy V.
No, no, no no, NO!

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Old 19-06-2009, 12:56 PM   #19
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Without any reasonable TV sci fi / fantasy at the moment I am very bored.
Try tuning into the Sci Fi Channel and checking out the new sci -fi series called 'Doll House' by the same creator as Buffy The Vampire Slayer - proof that there is at least some good new sci-fi out there.
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I think the biggest problem with Primeval was there just was not enough material to keep it going. The stories were getting weaker and I have felt for awhile now that they could have packed more in and pitched as a three series deal, and thus have finished it. So now we end up with three characters lost in the past with no way home for ever....unless someone takes it up and finishes it.

I think they were trying to go for the Lost type of script model, feed them just enough to come back but not much more. I think with the way modern TV sci-fi is treated by the broadcasters you should get in and get out with complete stories...just in case you get axed. Babylon 5 which was stunning just made it over the finish line though the last season felt a bit like it was rushed (which it was in order to get it made). Battlestar Galactica could also have been finished sooner way to many episodes were ...for what padding.

Doll House is an odd one....potentially interesting but so far it has played it pretty safe. It could be an excuse for a soft porn romp but has so far avoided that, and instead been a mixture of the good and the weak.....Charlie's Angel so far with mind wiping and personality programming.

Fringe is about the only show I am really enjoying. The X Files meets CSI. Its won a second season so hopefully the story arc will get finished. Stories and acting is very good.

In regards to eye candy on Primeval when Claudia Brown/Jenny left I began to loose a bit of interest.





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