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Old 31-07-2009, 07:48 AM   #1
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Default Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?

Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?
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Okay, here's a question. After Cellini's return from Ultra, and the
blanked-out areas on the Probe ship's black box were found, he was
ridiculed by the space authoririties, as well as medical people and
Commissioner Dixon. But...
Could they have in fact believed him, and covered up the truth?
After Cellini seperated the command module, and headed home, once
Ultra was no longer blocking the way, did he try and communicate with
Earth? It would make sense, would it not? And, even if the black box was
blank, what about video records? Even our early space missions took
films. By this time, video would have been the method. In my opinion,
there is NO WAY the folks back home would not have had visible evidence
that there were indeed ships clustered about Ultra. Not just "contacts",
as Dixon insisted. Also, what about the ax? Remember, Cellini hacked at
the Dragon's tentacles, before he got the hatch shut, apparently causing
it to withdraw. If you look at the ax as he dropped it, there appears to
be traces of biological matter on the head. After the command module was
retrieved and examined, surely it would have been found. In light of his
story, it would make no sense for it not to have been examined.
So, as I look at it, Commissioner Dixon had evidence that Cellinin was
telling the truth: a bizarre alien creature was let loose, and killed the
rest of the crew. Forensic evidence was there, but did the authorities
take note of it, or was something so hideous covered up, in order to "mot
alarm people", and Cellini made the sacrificial lamb?
Y'all?
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Old 31-07-2009, 11:08 PM   #2
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That's another way of looking at it. Your theory does make a lot of sense...
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Old 31-07-2009, 11:55 PM   #3
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if the black box was blank, what about video records? Even our early space missions took films.... If you look at the ax as he dropped it, there appears to be traces of biological matter on the head.... Forensic evidence was there....
Some excellent points there. Even if all other records were lost, you'd think the alien 'blood' or whatever would have been noticed, sampled and analysed. ('CSI: Alpha' anyone?)
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:21 AM   #4
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I reviewed the part of the ep last night, where Cellini chops at the monster's tentacles. You can see something splatter onto his uniform. So yes, there would be some trace evidence to examine.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:09 PM   #5
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Weren't there also traces of alien material on the door?

On the other hand, with 6 months of nothing to do but stew in his own 'survivor's guilt,' perhpas Cellini cleaned up the module and disposed of his soiled uniform. Maybe it smelled bad, too, and he wanted to get rid of any trace of the creature, not realising that he was, in effect, condemning himself to be disbelived upon his return.

Still, the cover-up thing sounds intriguing. (And I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so that it sounds intersting at all to me might mean that it has some merit within the context of the series.)
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:49 PM   #6
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Since the Flight recorder was blanked out during the encounter, it's possible that the video recordings would have blanked out too. It's also certain that in his 'deranged' state he would have dumped any contaminated material overboard, for fear of it 'coming back to life'
I also think that with the command module in 'Lifeboat' mode, there wouldn't have been the power to spare to send a message halfway across the Solar System. At most there would have been a short range transmitter for contacting the 'mother ship'. In emergencies, a homing beacon would have been activated just enough to notify rescue craft of the lifeboat's position.
Dixon would have been concerned for the overall continuation of the space preogramme - the last thing that he would want would be adverse publicity from the Tabloids which would dry up the revenue stream in double-quick time

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Come to think of it, can't you just see a slightly younger Simmonds convincing them to cover this up to benefit himself?
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... and a bunch of space marines are on their way to those co-ordinates right now to capture it for the company's bio-weapons division.
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Old 04-08-2009, 03:39 AM   #9
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This is all very interesting. I'm going to watch DD again later tonight with all of this in mind. If there was a cover up, Helena was totally out of the loop. She was convinced Cellini was guilty of the crews deaths and covering it up himself. The look on her face was priceless when she stepped onto the Eagle at the end and saw what was happening.
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Ultra Probe-Disbelief, or cover-up?
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Okay, here's a question. After Cellini's return from Ultra, and the
blanked-out areas on the Probe ship's black box were found, he was
ridiculed by the space authoririties, as well as medical people and
Commissioner Dixon. But...
Could they have in fact believed him, and covered up the truth?
After Cellini seperated the command module, and headed home, once
Ultra was no longer blocking the way, did he try and communicate with
Earth? It would make sense, would it not? And, even if the black box was
blank, what about video records? Even our early space missions took
films. By this time, video would have been the method. In my opinion,
there is NO WAY the folks back home would not have had visible evidence
that there were indeed ships clustered about Ultra. Not just "contacts",
as Dixon insisted. Also, what about the ax? Remember, Cellini hacked at
the Dragon's tentacles, before he got the hatch shut, apparently causing
it to withdraw. If you look at the ax as he dropped it, there appears to
be traces of biological matter on the head. After the command module was
retrieved and examined, surely it would have been found. In light of his
story, it would make no sense for it not to have been examined.
So, as I look at it, Commissioner Dixon had evidence that Cellinin was
telling the truth: a bizarre alien creature was let loose, and killed the
rest of the crew. Forensic evidence was there, but did the authorities
take note of it, or was something so hideous covered up, in order to "mot
alarm people", and Cellini made the sacrificial lamb?
Y'all?
You have to think like a politician. The reason why Dixon covered it up is because politicians do not like failure, especially when they have poured money,resources, effort,and their personal reputation into a endeavour like the Ultra Probe. Big failures can cause also the funding for future programs to be severly curtailed.They want that money rolling in, so they can spend it. Politicians also do not like failure especially if they want their position back. Dixon face must have been turning beet red when learning one of his astronauts claims to have fought with a "dragon" on a deep space mission and the story is spreading beyond Dixon's control.In Dixon's mind something has to be done.Dixon blames Cellini because he was the commander of the probe(which was very expensive to build and lives were lost) and is going around claiming to have fought a space dragon and need of mental help. He was an expendible person in Dixon's eyes and needed to be dropped from the program. Dixon could careless about any evidence that might have been brought back because he was too busy thinking about his own reputation and job.He wanted to bury this as quickly as possible and get on with the space program.There has been plenty of examples of "scapegoating" by politicians in human history.

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Old 07-08-2009, 10:39 PM   #11
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Slightly off topic but this thread touches on one of the few points for me when I am unable to suspend disbelief in the S99 Universe.

I am willing to accept that by 1999:

1) There is a large international moonbase and that the moon can be "blown out of earth orbit" into a region of space where there is an unusual density of solar systems

2) That technologies such as nuclear fusion engines, antigravity and laser weapons have emerged

3) That handheld communication devices able to handle wireless video and voice telemetry have become widely available

4) That cream flares and stack heels are back in fashion...

...but I cannot accept that in the same fictional universe that there are deep space missions in the 1980s and early 90s. If the sun is to the same scale as the dot at the end of the sentence, then the nearest star (on the same scale) is about 20 miles away. In between...a big load of nothing.

Where did Cellini encounter the ships' graveyard? Somewhere in the solar system? Beyond it? On the way to where?

The storylines involving all the deep space stuff bother me (Lee Russell, The Ultima Thule Posse, The Quellar Drive...)
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Old 08-08-2009, 03:36 AM   #12
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"DRAGON'S DOMAIN" must have inspired the movies ALIEN(1979) and ALIENS(1986) just substituted Lt. Ripley for Tony Cellini?

"DRAGON'S DOMAIN" After escaping the Ultra Probe(creature onboard), Cellini survives in Ultra Probe Command Module until he is recovered..then returns to confront the monster and prove it existed.

ALIEN(1979) After destructing the Nostromo, Ripley survives in Narcissus Shuttle until she is recovered....then returns to confront the monster and prove it existed in ALIENS(1986).


"DRAGON'S DOMAIN" could be remade as a reboot movie.

If 2001(1968 movie) was remade in "Brian The Brain", being HAL9000 is BRIAN,
then "Brian The Brain" was rebooted in 2010(1984) movie,
HAL9000 like BRIAN is discovered again by people from Earth after being left in space.

Yes, "Dragon's Domain" was rebooted in ALIEN(1979)and ALIENS(1986).

I agree with DX-SFX comment about the United States Colonial Marines from Aliens(1986) being sent to the Ultraprobe. It was retold in those two movies.

Where did Cellini encounter the ships' graveyard? Somewhere in nearby outside our solar system. On the way to where, Alpha Moonbase encountered what Cellini did, since the graveyard of ships drifted away from planet Meta.

The storylines involving all the deep space :
"A Matter Of Life & Death" Lee Russel's ship was lost while in our solar system....I believe near Jupiter.

"Death's Other Dominion" the Ultima Thule Posse's ship was lost while in our solar system,
I believe near Uranus.

"Voyager's Return" the Quellar Drive's Voyager 1 left our solar system,
like the real unmanned N.A.S.A. Voyager probes did.

"Dragon's Domain" Ultra Probe trip was to beyond the edge of our solar system, nearby ,
to investigate newly discovered Planet Meta...
think of a newly discovered planet beyond our , Neptune or Pluto(former planet).

"Brian The Brain" 1996 Star Mission of a fleet of Swifts...they were heading to map nearby outer
beyond our solar system but they got lost. (a similiar mission to the Ultra Probe,
except not to go to planet Meta)Perhaps it was sent out beyond Meta...
since Alpha Moonbase would ultimately encounter them.

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Old 08-08-2009, 05:30 AM   #13
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"DRAGON'S DOMAIN" must have inspired the movies ALIEN(1979) and ALIENS(1986) just substituted Lt. Ripley for Tony Cellini?

"DRAGON'S DOMAIN" After escaping the Ultra Probe(creature onboard), Cellini survives in Ultra Probe Command Module until he is recovered..then returns to confront the monster and prove it existed.

ALIEN(1979) After destructing the Nostromo, Ripley survives in Narcissus Shuttle until she is recovered....then returns to confront the monster and prove it existed in ALIENS(1986).


"DRAGON'S DOMAIN" could be remade as a reboot movie.

If 2001(1968 movie) was remade in "Brian The Brain", being HAL9000 is BRIAN,
then "Brian The Brain" was rebooted in 2010(1984) movie,
HAL9000 like BRIAN is discovered again by people from Earth after being left in space.

Yes, "Dragon's Domain" was rebooted in ALIEN(1979)and ALIENS(1986).

I agree with DX-SFX comment about the United States Colonial Marines from Aliens(1986) being sent to the Ultraprobe. It was retold in those two movies.

Where did Cellini encounter the ships' graveyard? Somewhere in nearby outside our solar system. On the way to where, Alpha Moonbase encountered what Cellini did, since the graveyard of ships drifted away from planet Meta.

The storylines involving all the deep space :
"A Matter Of Life & Death" Lee Russel's ship was lost while in our solar system....

"Death's Other Dominion" the Ultima Thule Posse's ship was lost while in our solar system,
I believe near Jupiter.

"Voyager's Return" the Quellar Drive's Voyager 1 left our solar system,
like the real unmanned N.A.S.A. Voyager probes did.

"Dragon's Domain" Ultra Probe trip was to beyond the edge of our solar system, nearby ,
to investigate newly discovered Planet Meta...
think of a newly discovered planet beyond our , Neptune or Pluto(former planet).

"Brian The Brain" 1996 Star Mission of a fleet of Swifts...they were heading to map nearby outer
beyond our solar system but they got lost. (a similiar mission to the Ultra Probe,
except not to go to planet Meta)Perhaps it was sent out beyond Meta...
since Alpha Moonbase would ultimately encounter them.
Forgot one thing. There are such things as wandering planets in the galaxy and universe without a parent star. That entire planets can be ejected from their parent solar system to wander the galaxy.They are called rogue planets.
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Old 08-08-2009, 07:25 AM   #14
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That's great. I was trying to forget Brian the Brain.

Ultima Thule Posse were off to Uranus, I think

Almost convinced, except by the time that Alpha encounters this lot it is not on the edge of the Solar System but (thanks very much "Black Sun", ta for that) at some new remote location in the galaxy (even another galaxy, Taybor the Trader calls the moon "intergalactic").

Whenever one of these deep space things turn up there is usually a clunking plot device to explain its presence and well, to me, it is like driving over a pothole. You feel the bump.

Anyway, enough said, perhaps just me. Can feel myself about to enter a proton storm...
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Eaglewingone you correctly stated:"...There are such things as wandering planets in the galaxy and universe without a parent star. That entire planets can be ejected from their parent solar system to wander the galaxy.They are called rogue planets."

I guess "Breakaway""Dragon's Domain" Planet Meta was a Rogue Planet.

I believe that Planet Mongo of "Flash Gordon" was a Rogue Planet.
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Ashford , I know. You said "...but (thanks very much "Black Sun", ta for that) at some new remote location in the galaxy (even another galaxy, Taybor the Trader calls the moon "intergalactic")."

"Black Sun" Mysterious Force guiding Alpha Base and all other Earth missions to cross each others path...to see each others fate?:

I took a shot at it...it is the Mysterious Force that makes all Earth missions to get lost then find each other.
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Ah the MUF (Mysterious Unexplained Force) I'd forgotton about that

Yes, that's almost working for me. That's got my suspension of disbelief back at least on dial up (if not on high speed broadband).
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Default I agree, MUF effects all Earth missions

MUF(Mysterious Unknown Force "Black Sun") effects all Earth missions lost & found again by the MUF:

ASTRO 7 lost near Jupiter "Matter Of Life & Death"
URANUS EXPEDITION of 1986 near Uranus "Death's Other Dominion"
ULTRA PROBE of 1996 at Rogue planet Meta "Dragon's Domain"
VOYAGER 1 unmanned deep space probe "Voyager's Return"
STAR MISSION 1996 fleet of Swifts lost "Brian The Brain"
ALPHA BASE on its runaway MOON

They all encounter Alpha's journey due to the MUF that sent them all on their separate paths that would cross again. Destiny by MUF....

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The thing that always got me was Dixon's ridicule that Cellini encountered anything of substance, yet at the same time Bergman confirmed that the Black box picked up contacts with an atmosphere inside, but at the same time tries to claim there is no contacts.
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The thing that always got me was Dixon's ridicule that Cellini encountered anything of substance, yet at the same time Bergman confirmed that the Black box picked up contacts with an atmosphere inside, but at the same time tries to claim there is no contacts.
I think as an astute politician and chairman of the International Lunar Commission , he was looking out for himself and his career.Cellini was a scapegoat. Commissioner Simmonds exhibits this type of behavior in two episodes.

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