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44" Eagle -The Time Has Come To Join The Big Boys

rockwellcm

Alphans
Bill whats the best method for glueing the spine parts?,its a snug fit,and i think the CA will have went off before i get the correct position

I would have thought the epoxy type glue would be too thick

any help most welcome

Its a great Great Kit by the way
 

healvis

Alphans
I got a carbon fibre rod from a shop that specialised in R/C aircraft. It was for a 22" spine repair but maybe they have rods that would suit 44" which I guess would be around 6mm diam'. The builds are looking fantastic.:)
 

29390

Alphans
These are the suppliers I use, very helpful & efficient service, downside for the lone modeller is that they require a minimum order of 10m.
Bill

Maybe a group purchase could be considered to get the cost down if enough people wanted to use carbon fibre for the cage build. An entire Eagle needs at least 15 feet of 3/16" tube (4.6 meters) and 85 feet of 1/4" tube (26 meters). That's based on DX's brass pack. I exclude the 5/16" as it's only used on the spine.

The inside diameter of the tube I got from bill is about 3.55mm (9/64"!), so a 3/16" telescopic fit would not be possible. But I would still want to use tube as opposed to rod, so that cages can be made to split (as per the original) and a jig could be used to construct the frames. I must say It's very easy material to work with and it's very strong and light.

Mods:If this is going off topic from Paul's build, please feel free to move this as necessary. :)
 
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paul gray

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i actually bumbed into the company Bill uses at the south of England remote control show in Kent a couple of weeks back. they do supply the modellers market. the main problem is getting the exact size tube( because it's imperial size). they dont routinely have this size as the modellers dont use it( use metric sizes) so it needs a bulk order. it's a perfect fit for Bill's kit or if you mix c.f. with brass. i was surprised how easy it is to cut and work with.
Rockwellcm use a slow setting super glue and you will be fine
cheers Paul
 

uncle bill

Alphans
Bill whats the best method for glueing the spine parts?,its a snug fit,and i think the CA will have went off before i get the correct position

I would have thought the epoxy type glue would be too thick

any help most welcome

Its a great Great Kit by the way

Thin super glue is the best way to go, get the part in place first then apply the glue, capillary action will draw it in to the joint making a very strong connection.
 

paul gray

Forum Supporter
it's been a bit of a funny week on the build up, a bit 2 steps forward and 1 back. i have been doing the side pod prong runners, if that makes sense, or the channels that keep the side pods in place. while trying to get these right i realised i had stuck all the bottom cage pieces in the wrong place, so the big brass tube in the middle was in the wrong place and the walkways wouldn't go in the right way.lots of rude words later and having removed these parts and puting them in the right places all the bits could now be inserted. in the original these runners were cut to make room for the large brasss tube, i didn't want to do this i wanted my pieces to go from one side to the other unbroken. this meant cutting a semi circle out of the pieces (2 of them) to accomodate the tube. after many test fittings the fit was too tight so i got the file out and took a small amount off the resin where the runners would go. another test fit and everything fits really well, snug but not too tight. it has also been a good painting day today here in sunny Essex so the front cage has been primed and glossed( except top surface as detailing needs to be added when in situ) ,front walkways primed and glossed and front pods given a quick coat.thanks to Donald for some help with this bit. here's the pictures of the internal cage work.that's it for now ,hopefully a bit more painting tomorrow.

lastly here's a shameless plug for my latest offering, my engineer is making the "u" clamps for the cage to spine join . if you are interested please check this thread and add your name http://www.eagletransporter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42156
cheers Paul


 

rockwellcm

Alphans
Its looking good Paul,i think i may wing this bit by keeping the brass channel whole,and cutting the tube,the brass tube serves no purpose on resin cages as it would burst the top spar off if it was used to mount the Eagle,like you i have ran behind with my build and had to go back and repair a few bad joints,i will post when i can.

Can you just clarify that the `U` Clamps are for Uncle Bills Cages and Spine only,or do they also fit a Brass Cage and Spine?

Donald
 

paul gray

Forum Supporter
the "u" clamps are a universal fitting as the spine and cage parts clamped together have the same dimensions
cheers Paul
 

29390

Alphans
The 'U' Clamps should fit any spine/cage combination as long as the tube sizes for both the spine and the cages are 1/4". There will be a slight gap between the spine and cages because of the thickness of the of the 5/16" brass sleeves used on the spine. That needs to be taken into account.

The U clamps were only used on Eagle 3 and I believe these were bolted to the cages, Eagles 1 and 2 on the other hand, used the 'L' shaped clamps which where either pinned/bolted to the spine itself.
 
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Captain Sci-Fi

Commander
Staff member
Bulk ordering....

These are the suppliers I use, very helpful & efficient service, downside for the lone modeler is that they require a minimum order of 10m.
Bill

Hi Guys,

If anyone wants me to bulk order these materials I am happy to do so. Let me have a shopping list of what's needed and I'll go get. :D

I will be using this material myself in my lightweight build (when I eventually get the time to do it) and I have a feeling that many other builders would go this route too if we could sort out material supply.

Cap'n
 

rockwellcm

Alphans
The 'U' Clamps should fit any spine/cage combination as long as the tube sizes for both the spine and the cages are 1/4". There will be a slight gap between the spine and cages because of the thickness of the of the 5/16" brass sleeves used on the spine. That needs to be taken into account.

The U clamps were only used on Eagle 3 and I believe these were bolted to the cages, Eagles 1 and 2 on the other hand, used the 'L' shaped clamps which where either pinned/bolted to the spine itself.

I had already Mentioned this to paul on the phone,we think the best option is the U shaped clamps in this case to add strength to the frame,while the L clamps are correct.
 

w8cmp

Alphans
Certainly for resin / carbon fibre frames, you'll need full 'U' clamps.

Brass frames will be fine with 'L' clamps soldered to the cage brasswork.
 

paul gray

Forum Supporter
managed a bit more work today. in order to make the rear pipe work a bit stronger i have carefully removed the large resin rod that runs through the middle of the rear pipe work and replaced this with a longer aluminium tube . i have drilled a hole in the rear of the cage walkways and thankfully they all fit very well and hopefully this will eliminate any sag of the rear bells
cheers Paul



 

paul gray

Forum Supporter
not much progress this week other than lots of painting today, all pods, walkways and shelves primed and glossed .i am currently decorating the hall and landing at home so wifey is keeping me busy. hope to start puting some of these bits together soon
cheers Paul
 

paul gray

Forum Supporter
sorry, i am not being very clear. when i say glossed i mean painted with ford diamond white gloss
cheers Paul
 

rockwellcm

Alphans
Paul,i hope you have plenty,i am finding that halfords have no stock in about a 100 mile radius up here,it may be to do with VOC2010,which is some paint standard that kicks in this year,i see i can get an acrlyic version form local motor factors,but i dont know if it differs from the Halfords paint
 

paul gray

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they have run out in my local Halfords but was out and about today and found the large store at Lakeside was awash with fdw
cheers Paul
 
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