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Round 2 12" Deluxe Kit

Sentry1

Alphans
Hi Guys, Newbie here

I have a question

I have just bought the Round 2 12" Deluxe Kit and am going through the parts trying to work out what to mod and what parts I can live with as far as the Eagle model part of the kit is concerned. However I am somewhat confused to see that there may be inaccuracies in the new resin parts ( I thought at least these would be accurate). I have found that Laboratory Pod is at least 7mm shorter lengthwise than the dimension given for the the standard Pod length in SMT's free plans. In a part this size that is somewhat of a massive inaccuracy.

So my question is:- Was the original Lab Pod actually shorter than the standard one for some reason ( I have found no evidence of this) or is this just as I said a fairly massive inaccuracy in the supplied resin Pod.

Also if this is a known problem with the kit is there some sort of fix for it?

Any help with this question would be gratefully received.

Thanks
Sentry1
 
The Lab pod is the only part of the model that is accurate!
The eagle is the std MPC kit with all the problems that inccurs.
The booster is based on the one that Chris Trice built for one of the original 44" miniatures. As the 11" booster and lab pod are very basic.
I would raise the sit of the Eagle by 3 mm. Break apart the rear engine fuel cells and add new fuel lines. And finally (and the hardest part) trim and move the top of the spine closer together.
ot wont solve everything but it will look a whole lot better.
If you use the 22" and 11" miniatures as a guide. It will look pretty good.
 

Slate Mcleod

Alphans
The Lab pod is the only part of the model that is accurate!
The eagle is the std MPC kit with all the problems that inccurs.
The booster is based on the one that Chris Trice built for one of the original 44" miniatures. As the 11" booster and lab pod are very basic.
I would raise the sit of the Eagle by 3 mm. Break apart the rear engine fuel cells and add new fuel lines. And finally (and the hardest part) trim and move the top of the spine closer together.
ot wont solve everything but it will look a whole lot better.
If you use the 22" and 11" miniatures as a guide. It will look pretty good.

All of the above plus I believe the leg pods are the wrong shape (too square). There is also an after market CM available which is much more accurate. Basically there is a lot of work to do make this model presentable, in comparison to the new 22inch which you can build straight from the box.
 
The original kit dates back to the era where 'close enough' and 'box scale' was the common way to treat any SciFi subject. You put one of these kits up next to the Product Enterprise's replica and the difference is dramatic.

Round 2 knew how bad the kits were, the only reason for the repop was to gauge interest in the expensive all new tool 1:48 kit. They served that purpose well- even with all it's flaws it sold well.
 

Sentry1

Alphans
Hi Guys,

Thanks very much for the information. I knew a lot of this already, however I have the kit now and I thought I'd try and accurise it somewhat without completely scratch building everything, (I can hear you all saying that's the only way it'll be accurate, lol). I will do some scratch building (cages, walkways etc.) and I have the Paragrafix photoetch set which will hopefully help.

I just keep seeing the images of the built kit where the Laboratory Pod has large gaps at both ends. Anyway I'm going to be using the free SMT general modifying plans for the MPC Eagle to help me work out what can be done.

Thanks for all the hints and tips.

If anyone is interested I'll try and post some of the progress on this project.
 
Drawing on experience.....

I don't know where I read it, and I can't find it now, but after the re-issue of the 12" Eagle there was an article on building one straight out of the box (it might have been Jim Small, but I can't remember). The modeller's neat solution to the solid cages problem was to paint the cages white and then "colour in" the indentations with a sharp pencil point. If memory serves he sealed the pencil lead with a varnish spray thereafter. The finished model looked, for all its limitations, very good. If I could find the article again I would give it a try on my refurbished Airfix Eagle.

I know that a lot of people dislike this model but, until I'm able to get my hands on a 22" Eagle (whenever that may be) I will plod on with them. I tried three different model shops, only one showed any interest, and the 22" kit he ordered while I was in the shop will not be in until the end of the year.

Yes, I know there's stuff on eBay but I don't have an account and, yes, there are probably cheaper and faster ways of getting one, but I've elected to go down the traditional route.

Kindest regards

Patrick
 

Sentry1

Alphans
Hi Patrick,

I think I know the Jim Small article you mean and although it has has now been removed from Round2's site it is still available here:-

http://www.smallartworks.ca/CNSM/EagleBuild/Eagle12.html

There are also some really interesting Eagle builds/information in the recent Softback from Sci-Fi and Fantasy Modeller, 'Modelling the Eagle'. A definite must buy if you are interested in The 99 Eagle.

Indeed I am also interested in the Round2 22" Eagle (are you listening Santa:D). However I have the Deluxe Round2 kit to build at the moment and I'd like to make as good a job of that as I can first.

Best
Angie
 
Lead on.....

Angie, how kind of you to respond - that's the one!! I thought he made a great job of the kit, and the tips on painting and weathering are really interesting, especially to a Skill Level 2 man like me.

It would be equally interesting to see your construction of the Deluxe model, and you're obviously taking a similar approach to me: practice your skills on the 12" before taking on (eventually, I hope) the magnificent 22". I always find that, once I get into a rhythm of working each evening for a wee while on a model, I get faster and produce better work (I think).

Anyway, good luck with your current project, and thank you very much again for the link.

Kindest regards

Patrick
 

Sentry1

Alphans
You're welcome Patrick.

Look forward to seeing how your build works out too.

I just hope Santa's listening on the 22", LOL!

Regards
Angie
 

Sentry1

Alphans
So it Begins......

Hi Guys,

Just so you don't think I've given up already.....

Some progress on my 12" (or insert scale here 1/72..1/87...1/96) Eagle.


(Yes I know it upside down, I'm working on the bottom cross pieces)

I started off modding the original front cage parts but I didn't like the end result so now as you can see I'm scratchbuilding them.

I also took the spine apart and am in the process of accurising that somewhat too.

This is not going to be a quick project I know, but I'm enjoying the build so far and that is always my prime requirement for a project (when I stop enjoying it and it becomes a drudge I know to put it away for a bit and work on something else)

Update on Santa BTW, he came early this year and I am now the proud owner of a Round2 22" Eagle kit and a 1/48 scale UNCL Moonbase Alpha Primary Laser Defence Tank Mk 1 (thanks Uncle Bill). So my model building needs have been met for some tiime to come.

I know some of you will wonder why I'm stiill bothering with the 12" when I have the shiny new really accurate 22" kit now. The truth is I like a challenge and the 12" is giving me that in spades right now so I'm happy to continue with it for the moment. I imagine that by the time I'm finished it will be more scratchbuild than kit build but I'm fine with that, I just want a nice looking model at the end, and if scratchbuilding most of it is what I need to do then thats what it will get.

Enjoy
Angie
 
Stick on the 12"!

Can't do any harm Angie - attunes your modelling prowess and skills in preparation for the exciting projects you have ahead. I elected not to strip out the cages - I would just have given up altogether - so fair play to you for going all out with the scratch built cages.

To get round this huge inaccuracy, I've always imagined that, when new, all Eagles were supplied with lightweight composite panelling which basically clipped into place on the cages, the better to protect from dust all of the exposed components with which we're all familiar. I've also imagined that, over time, these panels would either disintegrate, fly off during atmospheric re-entry or simply not be re-fitted by ground crews as it was too much bother for too little payback.

Anyway, keep going Angie - us 12" modellers need to stick together. Congratulations too on your early Christmas presents: I am most envious because I am still waiting on a model shop to come back to me and tell me when the 1/48 Eagle I've ordered actually arrives in Scotland. Hope to see more of your updates in the near future.

Kindest regards

Patrick
 
Yes, I'm following this one with interest. The cages and spine were the bits that let down the 12" kit. And the incorrect detailing on the shoulder pods. And the legs... :(
However it is possible - oh, and the engine plumbing... - to make a half decent model with a bit of effort. Actually quite a lot of effort :yes:
But it will be worth it in the end, when you can sit back and say "I made that".
 

Scifitodd

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Here is my Deluxe Eagle built by Jim Small...........
 

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Scifitodd

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Sentry1

Alphans
Really nice build Todd, love the paint job, I hope mine turns out half as nice.
Alas my build will not have the aluminum nozzles (even if I could afford them I have no idea where to get 12" ones from)!

Angie
 

Scifitodd

Forum Supporter
Really nice build Todd, love the paint job, I hope mine turns out half as nice.
Alas my build will not have the aluminum nozzles (even if I could afford them I have no idea where to get 12" ones from)!

Angie

Mike Reader is the aluminum guy, and his prices are great! Email him and see for yourself, reader@mts.net :thumbup:
 

Sentry1

Alphans
Mike Reader is the aluminum guy, and his prices are great! Email him and see for yourself, reader@mts.net :thumbup:

Thanks for the info Todd. :thumbup:

I'm sure I read a post in the Cap'n on Deck thread that said Mike Reader had gone in to semi-retirement (dated 11.8.2012) and was no longer going to be supplying aluminium engine bells? Did this not happen?

Sorry if this sounds dumb but since I'm a newbie here hopefully you guys will cut me some slack on my lack of knowledge.

Angie
 
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