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Captain Sci-Fi

Commander
Staff member
Looks to me like you are gaining on it.

Watching this take shape is a real treat, keep posting those pictures (on behalf of myself and the silent majority). :thumbup:

It's difficult to know what else to write when you see someone who has a master talent at work, you have already made a lot of this look easy when I know it's actually not. So don't be fooled by silence, it's the collective quiet of a lot of people in awe (myself included) :D
 

joeb

Alphans
Thanks a lot Captain Sci-Fi, your reply means a great deal right now. The model isn't going has well as I would like. When do they ever? This phase is proving to be a real mental drain, by comparison the hull WAS easy. I still don't have a definitive plan for the rest of the front but I'm working on one. I'm also in kind of a slump and don't feel like doing much on it. This will pass and I'll figure it out eventually but in the mean time progress is going to be slow. Here are the latest photos. I temporarily attached the top front blank to the hull in order to sand the edges round. It still needs a little filling here and there but the over all shape is good.

Joe
 

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joeb

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Well it's been a while hasn't? I hit a brick wall with the front. I couldn't figure out how to proceed next and I was getting frustrated; that and it was too cold to work in the basement so I took some time off. A couple of weeks ago I bought some more rtv and urethane and I started to work on molding up some parts. I knew I could get something done on that front and besides it warmed up a lot and I was back “in the mood” to work on the model. The parts being worked on here are going to be the radius edges of the rear bulk head and the one that runs along the side of the hull. I think I posted pictures of the blanks being machined earlier. These parts need to be absolutely flat so I decided to make permanent mold boxes for them to better support the rtv. The blanks were double faced taped to the melamine covered mdf so they would lay flat. The tape proved to be a strong bond because you can see I destroyed one blank trying to remove it later. I've never made molds like this before and it worked out okay but I think I'll change the design in the future. They were slow and difficult to fill with rubber because of the little holes on top and there were voids left in the top. The urethane parts came out fine however. The square mold is of a landing gear part I made over a year ago. I piggy backed it with the others. That part didn't come out well but I'll talk more about that in a future post. I want to add that I'm sure some of you have noticed misterggg”s thread concerning the Moon Bus blueprints. He and I have been working on this project for almost, over, around, three years now; I forget exactly. I want to say that I would never have been able to get this far without his help. He has been ready and willing to supply me with what seems like an endless steam of drawings. Thank you misterggg. I encourage all of you to take a look.

Joe
 

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joeb

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Hi everyone. Since I've started to make molds and cast parts again I thought I'd better inventory what I had already. The first thing I worked on when I started this build was making copies of all of the kit pieces. I made lots of molds and even more parts but I never really knew how many of each part I had and what I still needed to make. A while back misterggg put together a six view drawing with all of the parts highlighted in different colors. It is the perfect drawing for a check off list. Now I have all parts for this build in one box and all the extras in another. I also know what's left to cast and what parts are left to be molded up. Here are pictures of all of the parts and their molds. I've also included some shots of various mold in different stages of completion, and of parts fresh out of the mold. Enjoy.

Joe
 

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MADsen

Alphans
Very nice molds...

Hi Joe...


What great molds and castings you´ve made... it looks great.. :thumbup:


I´m looking forward to see some update photo´s of your bus, when you have some of course... :thumbup:
 

joeb

Alphans
Hey, thanks Lars. The hull is on hold for a while. I know that is the most interesting thing but I want to get this stuff done. I'm going to be posting some pictures of the landing gear soon. I went onto that after mold making. I hit some snags with those and went onto the hull. Now that I've hit some snags with the hull I went back to the landing gear. ( There's a certain elegance to that isn't there). The good news is that I'm over those earlier snags and am making real progress with them. Maybe tomorrow I'll have something to post on them. For now I thought I'd share this too. If you are familiar with the Moon Bus you will know that the detail on either side is the same. The left side mirrors the right. Now, a lot of the kit parts are symmetrical, so flipping them from one side to the other wont affect how they look. However some are asymmetrical but they are either too small to notice that much or their asymmetry is so slight that again it wont be noticed. But there is one part that wont look good at all if it is flipped to the other side and that is the Atomic Cannon part that I circled in the screen capture. After staring at the part for a while I noticed that it could easily be made into a left handed piece ( the actual part being right handed). So I took three casting of the original and cut them apart and reassembled them and then made a mold of that part. You got to have extras right. I couldn't not do this because it would have REALLY BUGGED me the other way.

Joe
 

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joeb

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Thanks Neo. No, I'm not going to kit this. I could be persuaded to make available casting of kit parts and the landing gear parts but the hull is a one off. Making a copy of it is beyond my capabilities right now.
 

MADsen

Alphans
Atomic Cannon part issue...

Hi Joe...


The parts looks great.. Nice castings.. :thumbup:


You have fixed your issue.. right.?

According to the last picture, with the white and green Atomic Cannon part it seems that you´ve got it right.. :thumbup:
 

joeb

Alphans
I had a good weekend working on the build. It was one of those rare occasions where I could work both days without having to go somewhere or do something else. Since I'm back working on the landing gear I thought I should post pictures of the work I've done so far. All of this was done about 18 to 24 months ago; I'm not sure, I can't remember that far back. Oh and Lars, to clear up any confusion, the snag I hit was with the landing gear not the casting of the kit parts. And yes that snag is cleared up as of Saturday. The first two pictures are for reference. One is a drawing by misterggg and the other is of the studio model. I've labeled everything and drawn arrows to point things out. The next three pics show the prepping of the mdf stock for the top block, pontoons and the plate. Each set of blank stock was sanded to correct thickness. The rest of the pics show the construction and machining of the plate. The two most difficult things to get right were the spacing of the slots on the side for the ribs and the holes in the top for the side pistons. The slots had to be evenly spaced so I carefully sanded each mdf spacer to length to ensure that the five ribs were in the proper place. The holes proved to be a real pain because there is a counter bore and a through hole that had to be perfectly concentric. No mater what I did I couldn't get them to line up. I plugged and re bored them several times but that didn't work so I came up with the idea of making a brass bushing in place of the through hole. I drilled the counter bore through the plate and made six bushing out of several diameters of brass tube telescoped together. It worked great. If you look carefully you can see remnants of a dowel I used to plug one of the holes. You may also notice a piece of veneer attached to one end of the plate. Oops! I cut it too short. That wasn't a big problem for me. I've become quite adept at fixing little “miss cuts” like that. Some glue and a hot iron and I'm back in business in no time. The acrylic ring was turned on a lathe. This part is currently in the prime, sand putty, repeat often, stage and should be ready for molding soon.

Joe
 

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joeb

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Lots of pictures for this update.
 

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MADsen

Alphans
Awesome...

Hi Joe...


Nice that we got that cleared out.. :thumbup:

I must say it´s incredibal nice piece of work you are doing, Joe :thumbup: :clap:

You are a true craftsman...
 

joeb

Alphans
These pictures are of the top block being made way back in June 2010. Just more mdf clad in polystyrene and sanded flush. This is actually the second attempt. With the first block I tried to bore all of the holes for the pistons and mounting bolts, but the holes weren’t matching up to their counterparts in the plate so I scrapped it. I decided to just make a mold of plain block and machine it afterwards. That way if I screwed up in boring the holes I could make another block easily and continue. The mold for this is done and parts have been made but I don't have those pictures ready to post.

Joe
 

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joeb

Alphans
Oh drat I forgot two.
 

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joeb

Alphans
Well I've spent the last few weekends casting up parts, mainly for the landing gear but also some kit pieces. It's been slow going and for a while it was one step forward and two steps back. I even once got to the point where I wanted to put the whole model on hold and go on to something else but that has past. The landing gear molds could have been thought out a little better with regards to parting lines and venting. The parts from them are usable but they need a lot of work to get them there. These pictures are of the top block molds and parts. The first mold I made was of solid rubber but the first part from it came out with a concave top. It dipped about a 1/16th of an inch at the center. I decided to make a plywood box mold to better support the rubber and maybe solve this problem but the same thing happened again. This block wasn't as concave as the first one so I troweled some spot putty on it and that seemed to fix the problem. There were also a lot of small bubbles on the side that was up in the mold from trapped air so had to cut more vent holes into the mold. I only need four of theses parts (three and an extra) but I've poured it five times and have only gotten three decent parts. I've got it in the tanks now so I'm hoping this one turns out.

Joe
 

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Captain Sci-Fi

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Staff member
This testing of your resolve is heartbreaking, been there done that. The big difference is you are making it work and are persisting.

I use the throw stuff, cuss and do something less frustrating strategy .... :D

Joking aside, I look for updates to this project and am overjoyed when I see something new. Don't lose heart Joe, we are willing you forward. :thumbup:
 

joeb

Alphans
Thanks for the words of encouragement Captain, they always help. I use to be a "thrower" too. In fact is things went really wrong I would go all Jekyll and Hyde. My favorite objects to throw were bar clamps, of all sizes. I once threw a four footer like a javelin down the aisle at work. I had quite a reputation for losing it. Thankfully I've mellowed as I've "progressed" in life. Still there are times when I have to resist taking a hammer to the work bench. Yesterday was a good day however. The last top block came out well enough to use and some other troublesome parts finally came out right. I will try to get some more stuff done today.

Joe
 

joeb

Alphans
Here are the pictures of the pontoons being made. This was done back in June 2010. Again they started out as glued up mdf blanks sanded to thickness and then machined. The two hardest operations were correctly spacing the slots for the pontoon brackets so they lined up with their counter parts in the plate and cutting the compound angle at the tip. For the life of me I can't remember how I figured that angle out to set up the miter gauge. I may have sanded the first one to the correct shape and then used that to set up the gauge and saw blade and then used a bevel gauge to see what the miter gauge and saw blade were set at. I had a lot of blank stock on hand to run tests of all of the different set ups but even then I think I barely had enough at the end for the two masters.

Joe
 

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joeb

Alphans
And the rest of them.
 

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joeb

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This is what I've been doing on the pontoons these last few weekends. These molds gave me a lot of trouble. I don't know if you can see it in the third photo but there is a huge bubble in it. What I think happened was that it was right under the air inlet in the pressure tank lid and when I turned the valve to charge the tank the air went into the mold. Any way I had to remove the rubber and pour it again making sure to avoid the air inlet this time when I put it into the tank. It worked, but I had problems with the first pour of urethane. The gate wasn't big enough and the mold cavity wasn't vented properly so I couldn't fill it. This was very frustrating and resulted it a few choice words but no clamp throwing thank goodness. As of yesterday I have all of these parts that I need. They didn't come out ready to use but they'll work. I sanded and primed a couple today and they don't look as bad as I feared which is nice.

Joe
 

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