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Old 14-06-2008, 09:23 PM   #1
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Default Goldeneye Effects shot puzzle...



Can anyone workout what they're doing in this behind-the-scenes shot?
The chap in the foreground is turning that thing that looks like a barrel.
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Old 15-06-2008, 12:10 PM   #2
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Looks like the Cessna is fixed on a rig through the tail kept off camera while a missile is being fired through the wing.
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Old 15-06-2008, 03:07 PM   #3
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Is smoke being being pumped through holes in the rotating barrel to create a foreground cloud effect ?
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Old 15-06-2008, 04:56 PM   #4
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Probably. There'll be a wind machine in front blowing it past the plane to suggest the plane is in forward motion.
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Old 15-06-2008, 05:38 PM   #5
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RINGING the dinner bell?
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Old 15-06-2008, 06:09 PM   #6
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Churning butter?
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Old 16-06-2008, 08:15 AM   #7
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Yeah its the rotating barrel that really puzzled me. How do you think the "missile" is being fired?
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Old 16-06-2008, 09:15 AM   #8
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Possibly by compressed air ?
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Old 16-06-2008, 10:26 PM   #9
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Look to the right of the rotating barrel... there appears to be a launch pad & rod, like the kind model rocket flyers use for launching their rockets, aimed right at the Cessna's wing. (It's hard to tell, but to my eye, the pad appears as a tilted disc, from which the rod angles up towward the Cessna.)
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Old 17-06-2008, 08:55 PM   #10
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Yup, looks like an Estes model rocket launch pad.
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Old 18-06-2008, 08:58 PM   #11
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Strange, Ive got a feeling that the shot in the trailer that JD posted is different from the one in the behind the scenes featurette. I'll watch that back again.

Yeah, looks like a working rocket, must be one helluva small rocket though, the missile is so thin! The barrel is still a bit confusing, but we're getting close. Will watch back the clip from the dvd

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Old 18-06-2008, 09:22 PM   #12
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More than one take is the order of the day and the problem is the documentary film crews only come in one day at a time for a few hours so it's hit and miss what there is to film. In the case of Casino Royale, we never once saw any film crew covering the model FX side of things.
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Old 19-06-2008, 09:20 PM   #13
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Im watching the clip over and over again at the moment, and I simply cant figure out what this rotating barrel is for. Doesn't seem to be for foreground clouds. Will post some other screen shots later.
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Weird... is the smoke coming from the right hand side of the drum sort of underneath? The smoke is certainly blowing in front of the camera
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Old 21-06-2008, 07:27 PM   #15
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Weird... is the smoke coming from the right hand side of the drum sort of underneath? The smoke is certainly blowing in front of the camera
Still cant figure it out! I honestly can't see any foreground cloud smoke, but maybe its just me. :lol
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Im watching the clip over and over again at the moment, and I simply cant figure out what this rotating barrel is for. Doesn't seem to be for foreground clouds. Will post some other screen shots later.
May be they decided the shot worked better without any foreground cloud effect after shooting it - a lot of stuff ends up on the cutting room floor after hours have been spent putting it on film - as you may discover !
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Old 23-06-2008, 08:39 PM   #17
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May be they decided the shot worked better without any foreground cloud effect after shooting it - a lot of stuff ends up on the cutting room floor after hours have been spent putting it on film - as you may discover !
Haha! Yup! I know that one alright. 6 hours of footage I recorded for my film, I think it was. The final film is only 9 mins long!

Gonna have another look at the behind the scenes footage later.
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Still cant figure it out! I honestly can't see any foreground cloud smoke, but maybe its just me. :lol
I just typed in a long reply to answer your question but somehow it got devoured by a forum glitch. I didn't think to save it but now I am out of time. If I have a moment later I will repost what I had written.
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Old 20-07-2008, 06:32 PM   #19
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Alright, if it's smoke it's one of two things:

1) Being used to simulate the smoke blown across the camera after the rocket hits the plane (i.e. the remainder of that sequence not shown in the trailer)

2) DOP Paul Wilson always tried to create filtration on his model shoots, just a slight haze to fake distance, but he usually did this using lens filtration (very low grade fog filters, etc). He might have used smoke as a substitute here perhaps given the shot is on a long lens already (which magnifies and abstracts the background unless it's all lit up considerably to a decent stop), they shot GOLDENEYE anamorphic too, and the longer lenses are relatively slow, so he could save his stop and not lose depth of field (sot the model doesn't appear half in focus and tiny) by reducing the amount of glass neccessary for the shot. Smoke is a pretty common substitute for lens diffusion, particularly in miniature effects shots (check Blade Runner and CET3K out).
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